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This forum has died. I don't think there will be any more debates around here.

Ocean: If it has died... someone must have killed it.

Why don't you take your negative attitude out for a walk?

Seesaw: Great idea! Maybe someone can help me. I was wondering about the age of our solar system. How do we know how old it is? Do we assume that it is all the same age. How old is the sun? Is there anyway that we can tell? Do we just automatically calculate its age as the same as Earth's?

The reason I am asking is because the Bible does not have the sun created until some time after the Earth???

I am trying to associate this verse to actuality. But it is probably my misinterpretation. More than likely I am taking it too literally.

Tell me what you know.

What would happen if the sun "died"? Mass extinction?

Of course, by that time, with all the technology, we will probably be able to create a new sun.

Yes, the solar system did start forming about 4.5-4.6 billion years ago.

Originally posted by ocean
This forum has died. I don't think there will be any more debates around here.

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That's because all of the creationists have been exposed as peddlers of worthless pseudo-science.

High fives all around to my fellow evolutionists!

ocean: What would happen if the sun "died"? Mass extinction?

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DNAunion:  Died? 

 

If the Sun (for some unknown reason) simply stopped radiating energy tomorrow, then yes, all life on Earth would die because it all relies directly or indirectly on photosynthesis.  There is an exception - the organisms that currently thrive at deep-sea hydrothermal vents might be able to survive (but, I seem to remember reading somewhere that they are not completely independent - that they rely in some way on organisms that are not in their own ecosystems).


If the Sun suddenly transitioned into its helium burning state to become a red giant (which it will do "just before" it's death) then it would produce a complete extinction.  The red giant phase of the Sun will have it expanded to such a large degree that the Earth's orbit will lie just inside the Sun itself (this from a program on the Discovery channel).  No life form could survive that.

 

Originally posted by LiveFreeOrDie
That's because all of the creationists have been exposed as peddlers of worthless pseudo-science.

High fives all around to my fellow evolutionists!

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There will always be more. A new regime of YEC's are armed and ready to go.

We will be waiting, with patience, kindness and understanding.

High-Five back at ya!

Originally posted by Stormy

The reason I am asking is because the Bible does not have the sun created until some time after the Earth???

I am trying to associate this verse to actuality. But it is probably my misinterpretation. More than likely I am taking it too literally.

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The first part of Genesis indicates that the earth could have existed for billions of years before the first Genesis “day,” though it does not say for how long. However, it does describe what earth’s condition was just before that first “day” began: “Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.”—Genesis 1:2.

When examining the Genesis account, it is helpful to keep in mind that it approaches matters from the standpoint of people on earth. So it describes events as they would have been seen by human observers had they been present. This can be noted from its treatment of events on the fourth Genesis “day.” There the sun and moon are described as great luminaries in comparison to the stars. Yet many stars are far greater than our sun, and the moon is insignificant in comparison to them. But not to an earthly observer. So, as seen from the earth, the sun appears to be a ‘greater light that rules the day’ and the moon a ‘lesser light that dominates the night.’—Genesis 1:14-18.

First Day
“‘Let light come to be.’ Then there came to be light. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.”—Genesis 1:3, 5.

Of course the sun and moon were in outer space long before this first “day,” but their light did not reach the surface of the earth for an earthly observer to see. Now, light evidently came to be visible on earth on this first “day,” and the rotating earth began to have alternating days and nights.

Apparently, the light came in a gradual process, extending over a long period of time, not instantaneously as when you turn on an electric light bulb. The Genesis rendering by translator J. W. Watts reflects this when it says: “And gradually light came into existence.” (A Distinctive Translation of Genesis) This light was from the sun, but the sun itself could not be seen through the overcast. Hence, the light that reached earth was “light diffused,” as indicated by a comment about Ge 1 verse 3 in Rotherham’s Emphasised Bible.

Fourth Day
“‘Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.’ And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars.”—Genesis 1:14-16.

Previously, on the first “day,” the expression “Let light come to be” was used. The Hebrew word there used for “light” is ’ohr, meaning light in a general sense. But on the fourth “day,” the Hebrew word changes to ma·’ohr', which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on “Luminaries” in the Emphasised Bible, says: “In ver. Ge 1:3, ’ôr [’ohr], light diffused.” Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·’ohr' in Ge 1 verse 14 means something “affording light.” On the first “day” diffused light evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud layers still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth “day,” things apparently changed.

An atmosphere initially rich in carbon dioxide may have caused an earth-wide hot climate. But the lush growth of vegetation during the third and fourth creative periods would absorb some of this heat-retaining blanket of carbon dioxide. The vegetation, in turn, would release oxygen—a requirement for animal life.—Psalm 136:7-9.

Now, had there been an earthly observer, he would be able to discern the sun, moon and stars, which would “serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years.” (Genesis 1:14) The moon would indicate the passing of lunar months, and the sun the passing of solar years. The seasons that now “came to be” on this fourth “day” would no doubt have been much milder than they became later on.—Genesis 1:15; 8:20-22.

Originally posted by TheBear
We will be waiting, with patience, kindness and understanding.

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I agree to aspire to this standard of behavior, but I reserve the right to be in a bad mood that day.

Originally posted by Stormy
The reason I am asking is because the Bible does not have the sun created until some time after the Earth??? 

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Genesis 1:1-3 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [2] The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

Just because there was no light, does not mean that the sun, moon and the earth were not in their place. There could have been a situation where the light was not departing from the sun, or there could have been a situation with the earth's atmosphere where the light was not entering in.

Or a third possibility is that the earth was spinning so fast that there was no night or day. It could be that night and day began to emerge as the earth began to "spin down". The most conservative estimate is that the earth's spindown rate, due to the moon's gravity pull is one millisecond every 100 years. That would mean that the first day was 12 hours: 6 hours of light, 6 hours of dark.

A less conservative figure would mean that the spin rate of the earth began to slow down and so day and night began to emerge. So that the spin rate continued to slow down and the days continued to become longer to where they are 24 hours long today. In another "5 billion" years the day will be 48 hours long at this rate.

The Bible uses the words morning and evening. But that just means night and day.

Genesis 1:3-5 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.