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WailingWall said in post #72:
... the Day of the Lord starts after the trib period.
That's right. It starts at the second coming.
"Waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who
shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be
blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ"
(1 Corinthians 1:7-8).
The day of the Lord can't include the tribulation
because only the Lord can be exalted in the day of
the Lord:
"The LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. For the
day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that
is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted
up; and he shall be brought low" (Isaiah 2:11-12).
During the tribulation, the dragon Satan and the
Antichrist, the beast, will be exalted:
"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto
the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who
is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with
him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking
great things and blasphemies; and power was given
unto him to continue forty and two months. And he
opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to
blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that
dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make
war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power
was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and
nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall
worship him, whose names are not written in the book
of life" (Revelation 13:4-8).
WailingWall had quoted:
MATTHEW 24 [29] IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of
those days shall THE SUN BE DARKENED, and THE MOON
SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT
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A Brother In Christ replied in post #73:
rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixeth
seal, and lo there was a great earthquake; and the
sun became black as a sackcloth of hair, and the
moon became as blood. Joel 2:31,
Notice that verse says after the trib....
this ones says it at the Six seal before the mid trib.
That's right. The event of Matthew 24:29 is a
different event than the event of Revelation 6:12
and Joel 2:31.
The event of Matthew 24:29 is after the tribulation,
at the second coming and rapture:
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not
give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the
earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory. And he shall send his angels with a great
sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together
his elect" (Matthew 24:29-31).
The event of Revelation 6:12 and Joel 2:31 is during
the tribulation, and so is before the day of the
Lord:
"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon
into blood, before the great and the terrible day of
the LORD come" (Joel 2:31).
The event of Revelation 6:12 and Joel 2:31 could
occur years before the day of the Lord, because it
occurs at the sixth seal of the tribulation:
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun
became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon
became as blood" (Revelation 6:12).
Many events must transpire between the sixth seal
and the second coming. Right after the sixth seal,
the seventh seal releases the seven trumpets:
"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was
silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God;
and to them were given seven trumpets" (Revelation
8:1-2).
And after all of the events of the seven trumpets
have happened, then all of the events of the seven
vials of wrath have to happen:
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying
to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the
vials of the wrath of God upon the earth" (Revelation
16:1).
The second coming has not yet occurred by the time
of the vials, for after the sixth vial Jesus says:
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that
watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk
naked, and they see his shame" (Revelation 16:15).
The second coming doesn't happen until after the
tribulation, after all of the events of the seals
and trumpets and vials have been completed.
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse;
and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and
True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make
war" (Revelation 19:11).
The second-coming event of Matthew 24:29 is a
different event than the tribulation event of
Revelation 6:12 and Joel 2:31 not only in its timing,
but also in that the second coming event involves the
moon giving no light:
"The moon shall not give her light" (Matthew 24:29).
While the tribulation event involves the moon giving
a blood-red light:
"The moon became as blood" (Revelation 6:12).
WailingWall had said:
Right AFTER the tribulation period the sun shall be
darkened and the moon wont be shining.
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A Brother In Christ replied in post #73:
I do not see the day of the LORD
Matthew 24:29 and Mark 13:24 is the same second-
coming, Day of the Lord event, as Isaiah 13:9-10:
"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with
wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate:
and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
For the stars of heaven and the constellations
thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be
darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not
cause her light to shine" (Isaiah 13:9-10).
"The sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not
give her light ... And then shall they see the Son of
man coming in the clouds with great power and glory"
(Mark 13:24,26).
A Brother In Christ quoted in post #73:
1 thes 5:3 For when they shall say Peace and safety;
then sudden destruction cometh upon them , as a
child; and they shall not escape.
This could refer to the worshippers of the Antichrist
during the tribulation. When the two witnesses are
killed by the Antichrist near the end of the
tribulation, the whole world will celebrate as if
their worries are over:
"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice
over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one
to another; because these two prophets tormented them
that dwelt on the earth" (Revelation 11:10).
But then the vials of God's wrath could suddenly come
upon them, and they shall not escape:
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying
to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the
vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the
first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the
men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them
which worshipped his image ... And the fifth angel
poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and
his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed
their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of
heaven because of their pains and their sores"
(Revelation 16:1-2,10-11).
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