The Christian Warrior

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As Christians, do we negate the use of God's Word because the unredeemed reject, deny and oppose Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

It is my contention that the Gospel message is an offensive message to those that reject, deny and oppose God. I believe God's Word is either the power unto Salvation as it states or God's Word is errant.

I believe that God's Word is inerrant and authoratative. I recognize that those that greatly reject God(The Father, The Son[Jesus Christ] The Holy Spirit )would prefer absoultely no scripture posted at all. Once again, the message of the cross is offensive to those that are perishing. They view it as utter foolishness. God's Word commands the Christian to not be daunted by this and go forward with the Gospel message.

The spiritual battle that takes place on this website truly is not a battle between flesh and blood but rather between children of the light(Those In Christ) and the children of disobedience. God's Word confirms this spiritual battle and if as Christians we diminish or hamper the utilization of the sword of the Spirit, God's Word we are accountable to God for our own disobedience to His Word.

I believe firmly we are living in the latter days and that as Soldiers of Christ we must have firm resolve to state the Gospel message of Jesus Christ regardless if it offends those that reject, deny and oppose God.



A Passage from, The Christian Warrior by Isaac Ambrose(1502-1664)

EPH 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Statement of the Doctrine to be Handled

1. All God's peple must be warriors.


1. All God's people must be warriors.

The wicked refuse to engage in this war. Instead of fighting the Lord's battles, they take up arms on the enemy's side. They spend their time in chambering and wantonness, in idleness and carnal security. They are altogether ignorant of Satan's assaults and of their own danger. Oh, that their eyes were opened to see their perilous condition! Oh, that such men knew their danger in time to escape it! They are not the Lord's soldiers, but the devil's revilellers. They will not fight against Satan, and Satan will not disturb their sleep. So they are in convenant with death and hell.

All the people of God, from first to last, are, and must be, engaged in this spiritual warfare, and can say, "We do not war against the flesh; 'the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds, " 2 Corinthians 10:4. Such has been the language of the saints in all ages; they were all in the war, even the most holy of them all. Job, Moses and Aaron, Lot and David, the Patriarchs and the Prophets. All had their fiery trials. And so those under the gospel: Peter was winnowed, Paul was buffeted, and even Christ himself was led of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Must all God's people war with devils? Then consider what religion will cost you. The Christian soldier must endure hardness. Saints must be winnowed, buffeted, tried, and tempted. Wars and dangers shall be their portion. And through much tribulation must they enter into the kingdom of God. See how Paul is in labors, in stripes, in prisons, in deaths. He was always in perils wherever he went. Christianity will cost you much here and save you forever. Than be a Christian that you may be a conqueror.

Are we to fight against sin and Satan, the world, and the flesh? Then, courage, Christians! Be not dismayed. Are you afraid of the formidable enemies? Go forth in the strength of the Lord God and He will put all your enemies shortly under your feet. Satan's fiery darts and all your trials shall do you good, and be to you as waves to the ark, as the whale to Jonah, as the fire that brightens the iron, as the mill grinds the wheat, or as the fire that separates the dross from the gold. Do you feel your spirits sharpened, your pride subdued, your flesh cooled, every lust mortified, and every grace invigorated by these temptations and trials? Tell me, are you not roused to make earnest and ardent prayers by these war's and conflicts? Are not Satan's temptations like bellows to blow the fire of devotion in your soul, and like a hedge of thorns to keep you from going astray? Oh, vain men! Be not afraid of the war, but enlist into the armies of Christ, and fight valiantly under the banner of the cross. It is an honarable war; Christ invites you to it, and promises to cover your head in the day of battle and to crown you in the end. And what more would you have? "Put on the whole armor of God, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might, and He is engaged to give you the victory."

End of passage from, The Christian Warrior by Isaac Ambrose(1592-1664)

The full title of Isaac Ambrose's book is, The Christian Warrior-Wrestling with Sin, Satan, the World, and the Flesh.





II TIMOTHY 2:3
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

II TIMOTHY 2:4
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.


Father God, may I and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ be about the business of doing your Kingdom work. May we not forsake from our duties, our allegiance to the Spotless Lamb of God, that shed His precious blood to set the captives free! Lord, I pray that as soldiers of Christ we may boldly proclaim God's Word until our breath is stilled and body dies! Father God, the days are short and there is not time for slumber. Revive us my Lord! Send down latter day rain upon us, to awaken us to our duty as bondservants of Christ! I pray Father God that ChristianForum may come under complete submission and the control of your perfect will. I pray these things in the name above all names, Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior. Amen.


ROMANS 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 

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I don´t want to start a discussion here, gunny, but your view is only partially correct.

Many unbelievers - me included - don´t critizise the use of scripture, but the UNCOMMENTED use if scripture.

Many times the Bible verses used are not directly related to the topic at hand, and while they may seem valid and obvious to the poster, the don´t necessarily do to to reader.

So I would like to see a comment postet alongside the quoted verse, to explain to the audience why the poster thinks this verse is especially suited to answer a question or show a point in regard to the posted discussion.
 
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Hey, Freodin, why should we dilute the Word of God in that manner? Just because you said so?

Look, you could never come back here, for all I care. You and your atheist co-conspirators only come to come against and fight the people of GOD. You are liars operating under your father, the devil. You need to repent.
 
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Originally posted by Freodin

So I would like to see a comment postet alongside the quoted verse, to explain to the audience why the poster thinks this verse is especially suited to answer a question or show a point in regard to the posted discussion.

God's Word stands alone, very well, into response of any subject matter pertaining to the human condition.
 
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Originally posted by gunnysgt
God's Word stands alone, very well, into response of any subject matter pertaining to the human condition.

But you have to choose an appropriate quote fitting the situation. Your reasoning why you chose a certain quote is not always obvious, neither to believers not unbelievers. Commenting your choice would take nothing from Gods word, but add meaning to your usage of it.


Originally posted by Susan
Hey, Freodin, why should we dilute the Word of God in that manner? Just because you said so?

Look, you could never come back here, for all I care. You and your atheist co-conspirators only come to come against and fight the people of GOD. You are liars operating under your father, the devil. You need to repent.

Do you think you "dilute" the message, if you explain why you chose the certain quote you used? I have seen this done more than once in Christian/Christian discussions - and they should have the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We unbelievers have nothing similar. Do you grudge us this little help?

And while I may be a liar, in need of repenance and fighting the people of God, I am no conspirator. This is only for your information. Please don´t use this special accusation any more. Thank you!
 
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Originally posted by Susan
Hey, Freodin, why should we dilute the Word of God in that manner? Just because you said so?

Look, you could never come back here, for all I care. You and your atheist co-conspirators only come to come against and fight the people of GOD. You are liars operating under your father, the devil. You need to repent.

that's a little over the top don't you think susan?

show some love instead of hate.
 
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Originally posted by two feathers
that's a little over the top don't you think susan?

show some love instead of hate.

Don´t mind - it´s just the way she acts towards unbelievers. We love her regardless.

:angel:
 
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that's a little over the top don't you think susan[sic]? show[sic] some love instead of hate.

Actually, I'd like for an atheist to answer this objection. I've always found it curious how atheists go to Christian message boards. Why? It can't be because they're in the search for truth, since their presupposition demands that all values are subjective, and since no subjective opinion is any better than another, the value of truth is equal to the value of falsehood, and both should be equally sought after (since the truth doesn't always benefit you, and often times isn't the easiest thing to deal with). Why seek truth when falsehood is just as good? It seems the only motivation for an atheist to come to a Christian message board is to pick a fight (in the debating forums at least. Fellowship outside of theology, science, or philosophy is another matter).

As far as going "over the top" is concerned, you must realize that when ever you start to avidly debate against what someone holds to be true and precious to them, you're not going to get a warm response all the time. When you attack something that someone believes in, the person who holds the belief sees it as an attack on himself (or herself), since that belief is a part of who he (or she) is. I have yet to figure out a way where you can debate against something that people stand by, and somehow not come across as an attacker. The atheists, while flaunting their intellectual might, should realize this from the very beginning.
 
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I am always willing to answer questions regarding my position. Perhaps the Fellowship Forum is not the right place for it, but here it might get read by people who avoid the Apologetics Forum.

If any mods don´t think this appropriate, feel free to move it. (If gunny permits)

I am here because I like to discuss controvesial questions. I am here because I like the people (do you know this is an exceptionally well-behaved forum?).

And I am here to correct wrong ideas that people have about me and my beliefs.

Jedi, you are one of those whose ideas I think are wrong. I am a proclaimed atheist, and I don´t adhere to the ideas you think atheists should hold. Why? Am I doing it wrong?

I won´t claim the position to tell you how to be a "True Christian (TM)". Why do you assume you can tell me how to be a "True Atheist".

I don´t believe what you think I should believe, and this proves you wrong. Yet you won´t change your claims. THESE are the positions I "attack". If you feel insulted by that, it is not my fault. Insulting takes two. I do not intend to insult.

So, you are wrong, and my simple existance is proof for that. You have to live with that.
 
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Originally posted by Jedi
Tthe value of truth is equal to the value of falsehood, and both should be equally sought after (since the truth doesn't always benefit you, and often times isn't the easiest thing to deal with).

As an atheist, that's not what I believe. That is sufficient to refute you. Please stop using your flawed reasoning to assume what other people think. If you can find one atheist who does think this way, then you might have a point.
 
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I am here because I like to discuss controvesial[sic] questions. I am here because I like the people (do you know this is an exceptionally well-behaved forum?).
So one of the reasons you are here is to discuss controversial topics (“Intellectually fight” as it were). Perhaps I chose too strong a phrase.

And I am here to correct wrong ideas that people have about me and my beliefs.

Jedi, you are one of those whose ideas I think are wrong. I am a proclaimed atheist, and I don’t adhere to the ideas you think atheists should hold. Why? Am I doing it wrong?
If you do not think truth and falsehood are equals, you are undermining your theological position. Atheism demands every value be subjective (this would hold true for the values of truth and falsehood as well), and so no subjective opinion is any better than another. That’s what subjectivity is all about. If you’re saying that truth is objectively better than falsehood, it is completely baseless through your worldview.
I won’t claim the position to tell you how to be a "True Christian (TM)". Why do you assume you can tell me how to be a "True Atheist".
If you could point out reasons from scripture why I should believe something to be true, then great. Saying “You can’t tell me what to believe” isn’t going to get anyone anywhere if you are unable to refute my taking Atheism to its final conclusion: Moral Nihilism.
I don’t believe what you think I should believe, and this proves you wrong.
No, it doesn’t. It proves you inconsistent. Show me how I’m wrong instead of just saying it - that’s begging the question.
So, you are wrong, and my simple existance[sic] is proof for that. You have to live with that.
No, it doesn’t. It just comes to show that you haven’t thought your ideas through to their final conclusion. If you have, and you’ve come to a different conclusion that what I’ve pointed out (step by step), then show me.
As an atheist, that's not what I believe. That is sufficient to refute you.

No, it’s not. Saying “No, it isn’t so!” won’t get you anywhere, since you’re doing nothing but begging the question.

Please stop using your flawed reasoning to assume what other people think. If you can find one atheist who does think this way, then you might have a point.

You mean if I can find one atheist who follows his thoughts through to conclusion? My, I think I would be hard pressed to find one of those, since as soon as they do, they see how absurd it is, and are no longer an atheist.
 
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Originally posted by Freodin
But you have to choose an appropriate quote fitting the situation. Your reasoning why you chose a certain quote is not always obvious, neither to believers not unbelievers. Commenting your choice would take nothing from Gods word, but add meaning to your usage of it.


EPHESIANS 4:4
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

EPHESIANS 4:5
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

EPHESIANS 4:6
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

EPHESIANS 4:7
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.




Originally posted by Freodin
Commenting your choice would take nothing from Gods word, but add meaning to your usage of it.


PSALMS 119:89
89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.


PSALMS 119:105
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.


PSALMS 119:140
140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.


PSALMS 119:160
160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.



REVELATION 22:18
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

REVELATION 22:19
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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Jedi, if you can show me a conclusive line of reasoning from Atheism (the non-believe in God - which I adhere to) to Moral Nihilism, you might have a point.

But such a line of reasoning does not exist. I have pondered these question longer than you are alive. My reasoning is conclusive.

We may start a new discussion about this question in Apologetics. It is inappropriate for this forum.

Regarding your useage of [sic]: I think it is also inapropriate in an informal discussion - but if you want to continue to use it, please don´t only remark on my errors, but give me a correction. I am always trying to improve my command of the english language.


Gunny: See, the last set of quotes I even understood. I can see why you think them relevant for this topic.
The first and second set I cannot, or only partially understand.

I cannot read your mind. I am asking for your help. Do you deny me your help?

Susan: According to the Gospels, you should have the power to evoke the minions of Satan. That am I still here should show you that I am not, in fact, a satanic unbeliever - just an unbeliever.
Why is my existence such a threat to you?
 
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Originally posted by Freodin

Gunny: See, the last set of quotes I even understood. I can see why you think them relevant for this topic.
The first and second set I cannot, or only partially understand.


I CORINTHIANS 2:13
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

I CORINTHIANS 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I CORINTHIANS 2:15
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I CORINTHIANS 2:16
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 
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Ok, the word of God is foolishness to me, I don´t have the mind of Christ.

So I need someone who is less foolish than me, but foolish enough to relate the concepts I don´t understand to me.

I ask you for your help, for your understanding. Will you give it to me, or hold it back?
 
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Originally posted by Freodin

Susan: According to the Gospels, you should have the power to evoke the minions of Satan.


MATTHEW 18:18
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

MATTHEW 18:19
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.


MATTHEW 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

MATTHEW 16:19
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


ISAIAH 30:17
17 One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill.

ISAIAH 30:18
18 And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.


MATTHEW 16:23
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

MATTHEW 16:24
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

MATTHEW 16:25
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.


I TIMOTHY 5:20
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.


TITUS 1:13
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith


JUDE 1:9
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
 
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