The Creationism of America's Founding Fathers

MacCoyle said:

You silly little man, making up History. You are a great creationist. Read any quotes from the founding fathers on Religion and you will see how wrong you are.

Actually, just read the first amendment.

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Don't make any Federal laws preventing the spreading of religious thought or the free exercise there of.

MoonLancer said:

go read some Thomas Paine

If you don't, Just shut up, as you don't know what the word America even means.

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Please see:

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

LittleNipper said:

Don't make any Federal laws preventing the spreading of religious thought or the free exercise there of.

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Wrong. The First Amendment reads:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

Congress is not allowed to make any law respecting an establishment of religion. If you want Creationism taught in public schools, in other words, you can't have it sanctioned by the US government because it would establish a religious belief — and since public schools are under their domain — Creationism can't be taught in schools period.

Without a secular purpose, you fail the Lemon Test, and violate the First Amendment. The founding fathers obviously didn't have the specific case of Creationism in mind when they drafted the Bill of Rights, but we are certainly protected from it thanks to their foresight.

LittleNipper said:

Christians didn't need it in the Constitution.

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I don't know... seems like an important thing to remind people of considering your claim that they thought it necessary for the very survival of the republic.

LittleNipper said:

Don't make any Federal laws preventing the spreading of religious thought or the free exercise there of.

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It is funny how you make up passages in the Constitution like you do with the bible.

MacCoyle said:

You silly little man, making up History. You are a great creationist. Read any quotes from the founding fathers on Religion and you will see how wrong you are.

Actually, just read the first amendment.

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History Revisionism 101 is one of the basic courses Creationists learn in Sunday School. They re-write the history of science, creationism and Christianity, all to make what really happened match what they would like to believe happened. Thus, the purpose of Darwin's book becomes to promote atheism, geologist made up numbers to match evolutionary preconceptions, nobody who took part in the Inquisition or Crusades was really Christian, Creationists have always accepted Micro-evolution, etc., etc.

Split Rock said:

History Revisionism 101 is one of the basic courses Creationists learn in Sunday School. They re-write the history of science, creationism and Christianity, all to make what really happened match what they would like to believe happened. Thus, the purpose of Darwin's book becomes to promote atheism, geologist made up numbers to match evolutionary preconceptions, nobody who took part in the Inquisition or Crusades was really Christian, Creationists have always accepted Micro-evolution, etc., etc.

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Don't forget AV1611VET's legendary debate where the evolutionists were "pwned" so hard by the creationist faction that major changes to the ToE had to made in order to save it.

I wouldn't bother asking him who debated whom ,when and where, exactly - he seems to suffer from sudden selective amnesia sometimes. That poor wretched soul.

TeddyKGB said:

I don't know... seems like an important thing to remind people of considering your claim that they thought it necessary for the very survival of the republic.

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Perhap they believed that since they came from countries that controlled religion and how people could worship GOD, that they simply could not imagine how stupid the citizens of the United States could become with regards to the sovereignty of GOD. As the Israelites drifted from GOD to wanting a king (more governmental control), GOD gave them a their king, but they suffered for it.

LittleNipper said:

Perhap they believed that since they came from countries that controlled religion and how people could worship GOD, that they simply could not imagine how stupid the citizens of the United States could become with regards to the sovereignty of GOD. As the Israelites drifted from GOD to wanting a king (more governmental control), GOD gave them a their king, but they suffered for it.

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So now you are calling us stupid. Nice.

You are a great creationist

MacCoyle said:

It is funny how you make up passages in the Constitution like you do with the bible.

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I think you simply don't understand 18th century English when you hear it. The term "respecting" did not mean what you have come to believe today.

Split Rock said:

So now you are calling us stupid. Nice.

You are a great creationist

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Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing Gives a whole new twist to the believers of evolution.

MrGoodBytes said:

Don't forget AV1611VET's legendary debate where the evolutionists were "pwned" so hard by the creationist faction that major changes to the ToE had to made in order to save it.

I wouldn't bother asking him who debated whom ,when and where, exactly - he seems to suffer from sudden selective amnesia sometimes. That poor wretched soul.

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That doesn't bother me so much, since the question of who "won" a debate can be very subjective. It is when they make factual claims that are based not on history, but on how they imagine history went based on their preconceptions, that I get irritated. For example, you often see the claim that an old earth was assumed under "evolutionary preconceptions," even though geologists came to this conclusion and abandoned Flood geology, well before Darwin wrote On the Origins of Species. But facts mean very little to creationists.

LittleNipper said:

Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing Gives a whole new twist to the believers of evolution.

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Projecting again, eh?

"Here are some transitional fossils"
"I don't see them."

"Here you can see that morphology and genetics form a twin-nested hierarchy as predicted by evolution."
"I don't see it."

Here are all the morphological and genetic features that show humans are a species of ape"
"I don't see them"

"Here are examples of observed speciation"
"I don't see them."

LittleNipper said:

Perhap they believed that since they came from countries that controlled religion and how people could worship GOD, that they simply could not imagine how stupid the citizens of the United States could become with regards to the sovereignty of GOD. As the Israelites drifted from GOD to wanting a king (more governmental control), GOD gave them a their king, but they suffered for it.

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If God is indeed sovereign, more power to him. I'm certainly not going to be able to stop him. All he has to do is come down here and assert himself.

Right now, however, God seems to have approximately the same control over events as Zaphod Beeblebrox.

JamesDaJust said:

You also mention the theory of evolution is the only other possible source.

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Actually, I was pointing out that the post I was quoting was assuming that the TOE was the only possible source, apart from religion. I don't believe that to be at all true. Secular theories of ethics go back into antiquity.

People of all religions have different opinions on ToE, but I think when you put it those terms, I see it as the most possible source for Atheism.

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A ridiculous idea on its face, since atheism has been around a lot longer than the theory of evolution.

LittleNipper said:

I think you simply don't understand 18th century English when you hear it. The term "respecting" did not mean what you have come to believe today.

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Why don't you actually attempt to give us some evidence instead of just spewing statements out and expecting us to believe them?

How exactly did the word "respecting" get intrepreted differently back then? How about you give us some examples from sources showing it used in this alternate manner. Until you do, all I'm getting from you is noise.

LittleNipper said:

I think you simply don't understand 18th century English when you hear it. The term "respecting" did not mean what you have come to believe today.

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I think you dont understand English in general, from reading your evidence.

Ignore this post

LittleNipper said:

I think you simply don't understand 18th century English when you hear it. The term "respecting" did not mean what you have come to believe today.

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Wrong
YOU don't understand the english involved ((18th century or 21st century)

Trust me, 18th century american english isn't that hard to understand.
Been there
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LittleNipper said:

Please see:

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

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And I raise you a cluster fu*k

don't just quote Paine, READ Paine. READ it.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/paine-essaysreligion.html

You should also be happy to know that in age of reason, Paine shows us that the word of god is false (the bible). I will give you your convenient little quote if you agree the bible is the false words of god but instead of that of men. If you do not, then i don't see how you can cherry pick like your doing, and still remain honest.

Paine demonstrates the absurdity of a word of God existing in print. As a Deist, Paine believed that the true word of God is nature.

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http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/part1.html

If god exists, it wont be found in the bible, but entirely in nature.

have a nice day!