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So here we have a self professed prophet, with God himself speaking through him... must be a marvelous experience.


Except he lied to these kids; he said if he was wrong, he was condemned as a false prophet. He would suffer greater judgment for false preaching. He knows that isn't true. He knows God is does not punish. He has never been punished by God in his life and he knows it so he can say anything.
uhhh what?!

The Bible is clear that false teachers will be punished...read Jude.
 
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Who says they didn't get punished? Again the Bible itself says that false teachers WILL be punished.....

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Jud 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Mat 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2Pe 2:2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
2Pe 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
 
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Who says they didn't get punished? Again the Bible itself says that false teachers WILL be punished.....

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Jud 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Mat 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2Pe 2:2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
2Pe 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
If you call retiring in the south of France or becoming stinkin' rich a punishment...
 
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If you call retiring in the south of France or becoming stinkin' rich a punishment...
We really have no idea what God has brought against them, or exactly what He will bring against them..but destruction.
 
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We really have no idea what God has brought against them, or exactly what He will bring against them..but destruction.
You can always hope for that I guess... but since they don't believe in it, they don't care... they just keep getting fat and happy rippin' off the suckers...
 
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He's a false teacher and denied Jesus to millions on Larry King Live.

KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

From CNN LARRY KING LIVE Interview With Joel Osteen
Aired June 20, 2005


He sounds like a humble man...something that is missing in today's society.
 
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You can always hope for that I guess... but since they don't believe in it, they don't care... they just keep getting fat and happy rippin' off the suckers...
They will get held accountable at some point. I suggest moving on with your own walk with Christ and leave them in His capable hands.

Remember, He is longsuffering with everyone, not just us.
 
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I think a white washed Gospel is rather nice.
It places people in danger. People think they are saved but they have bought a lie and they will pay with their souls.
 
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except that he's wrong. Jesus tells us that He is the way. Joel whitewashed the Gospel.
Did Jesus say he was the ONLY way... or that he was the way?

Did he mean Jesus... Y'shua, the son of the Mary, born in 4BC or was he talking about the immortal eternal Word of God, the Logos, the Alpha and Omega that long predated Jesus.

Are you able to make a distinction? Could the Word of God been manifest in other cultures in other times?
 
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I think Joel is like many other TV-evangelists--- I think they're put out there to spread the Gospel (at least those who are not doing it for the $$$ and fame...which is very few in my opinion) but because the majority of Christians don't know enough about the Bible the message has to be watered down alot for them. Let's face it... Christians are not all deep theology students who can speak Hebrew, Latin, Aramaic, and the other languages. I see these messages speakers like Joel put out and I think they're great for those who are looking to know a little bit about Christ or who are new Christians, but for those who are further down the path of Christianity it just doesn't fulfill us as much.

He properly doesn't speak of the darker side of Christianity, such as sin, major issues, etc because it scares us...to death. With all this junk going on in our lives, sometimes we just want to be uplifted and not be reminded that ya we're horrible, no good sinners... sometimes we just have to hear the message about how much Jesus loves us, that He died for us, and that we can have eternal life where there will be no disease, no crime, and no hatred...except for sin.

I have my own devotional page... I write what God leads me to write, to teach about... I hope these people, like Joel, are doing the same thing. If they're listening to what God has to say and teaching what He wants them to teach, then I have no problem with that. So I've learned not to judge them so much on their watered down lessons---but test them through how they live. Owning your own personal jet is a no-no in my book---living the morals that you teach to others is the right thing to do.
 
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So here we have a self professed prophet, with God himself speaking through him... must be a marvelous experience.


Are you serious? Any Bible preaching pastor or any person for that matter who knows God's Word and is preaching the Gospel before people knows that it is not them that is speaking but God using them, speaking through them, using them as a vessel. This is common knowledge.
 
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So here we have a self professed prophet, with God himself speaking through him... must be a marvelous experience.


Except he lied to these kids; he said if he was wrong, he was condemned as a false prophet. He would suffer greater judgment for false preaching. He knows that isn't true. He knows God is does not punish. He has never been punished by God in his life and he knows it so he can say anything.


Really? False preaching doesn't bring greater judgement?
God doesn't punish?


2 Peter 2:1-3

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.



Galatians 1:7-9

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.




Matthew 7:15-16,19

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 You shall know them by their fruits.

19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.




Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power




2 Peter 2:9

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
 
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He's a false teacher and denied Jesus to millions on Larry King Live.

KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

From CNN LARRY KING LIVE Interview With Joel Osteen
Aired June 20, 2005



He sounds like a humble man...something that is missing in today's society.


If Joel doesn't know if they're wrong, then he believes what Jesus preached is wrong because Jesus preached He is the only way.

That's not being humble, that's denying Christ.


Matthew 10:33

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.



Mark 8:38

For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.



2 Timothy 2:12

If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us.
 
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I think a white washed Gospel is rather nice

Preaching a white washed and watered down Gospel is what one does in order to please people.


Galatians 1:10

For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.


Romans 16:17-18

17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.

18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
 
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The Cover of one issue of Texas Monthly Magazine reads: "On the Eighth Day God Created Joel Osteen"

Talk about arrogance.



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