The Four Questions…

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The Four Questions…

In the prison minstry group I have been blessed to be a part of for the past year our leader, who has been involved in prison minstries for over 25 years, has developed four distinct questions that seemingly turn the thought process of typical criminals around to a better understanding of the nature and character of God and His government.

Here are the four questions that we ask. Answer them as honestly as possible and compare them to how God may answer them.


1.) What if I told you that your youngest child was murdered? Would you want mercy or justice for the perpetrator?



2.) What if I told you that the murderer was your oldest child? Would you want mercy or justice for the perpetrator?



3.) What if I told you that you are guilty of the murder of the only begotten Son of God? Would you want mercy or justice as the perpetrator?


Last question:

4.) What if I told you that you had a daughter, your only daughter, the apple of your eye, who has never given you a moment’s grief. Tonight, you have your tux hanging in the closet, because tomorrow you are scheduled to walk your daughter down the aisle and give her away to someone whom you approve. If you’re the mother, you have your new dress hanging next to the gown that you have been planning and preparing for since the first time she held her in her arms. But tonight, your daughter is at a bachelorette party with her peers and they talk her into having “one-for-the-road,” the first ever in her life. Two, three, four, five, six, seven (drinks) later, while on her way home, she wipes out a school bus full of little children on their way to camp. Everybody aboard the bus dies in a fiery inferno, but you daughter survives.

Do you want mercy or justice for your daughter (?) and what do those that are related to those who were on bus want?



The moral of the story is…

The carnal heart has an ingrained sense of justice as long as it doesn’t apply to them or theirs. That is self-righteousness and hypocrisy! Furthermore, Satan knows that God will only forgive us according to our willingness to forgive others. The irony of the whole thing is – “we’re all family.”

As we have received God’s mercy – so are we to bestow the same mercy towards others. “Freely you have received, freely give.” We can hate the sin, but we must love the sinner for “we war not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities in high places.”

Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
 

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The Four Questions…

In the prison minstry group I have been blessed to be a part of for the past year our leader, who has been involved in prison minstries for over 25 years, has developed four distinct questions that seemingly turn the thought process of typical criminals around to a better understanding of the nature and character of God and His government.

Here are the four questions that we ask. Answer them as honestly as possible and compare them to how God may answer them.


1.) What if I told you that your youngest child was murdered? Would you want mercy or justice for the perpetrator?



2.) What if I told you that the murderer was your oldest child? Would you want mercy or justice for the perpetrator?



3.) What if I told you that you are guilty of the murder of the only begotten Son of God? Would you want mercy or justice as the perpetrator?


Last question:

4.) What if I told you that you had a daughter, your only daughter, the apple of your eye, who has never given you a moment’s grief. Tonight, you have your tux hanging in the closet, because tomorrow you are scheduled to walk your daughter down the aisle and give her away to someone whom you approve. If you’re the mother, you have your new dress hanging next to the gown that you have been planning and preparing for since the first time she held her in her arms. But tonight, your daughter is at a bachelorette party with her peers and they talk her into having “one-for-the-road,” the first ever in her life. Two, three, four, five, six, seven (drinks) later, while on her way home, she wipes out a school bus full of little children on their way to camp. Everybody aboard the bus dies in a fiery inferno, but you daughter survives.

Do you want mercy or justice for your daughter (?) and what do those that are related to those who were on bus want?



The moral of the story is…

The carnal heart has an ingrained sense of justice as long as it doesn’t apply to them or theirs. That is self-righteousness and hypocrisy! Furthermore, Satan knows that God will only forgive us according to our willingness to forgive others. The irony of the whole thing is – “we’re all family.”

As we have received God’s mercy – so are we to bestow the same mercy towards others. “Freely you have received, freely give.” We can hate the sin, but we must love the sinner for “we war not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities in high places.”

Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Wow, you do prison ministries.... I go visit prisons to share Gods love, but sometimes it hurts, especially if they are friends, family or close aquaintances, and in Miami with all the drugs, and smuggling there are a lot....

(Hey, dont you sleep, what are you doing up at 4 in the morning...;) )
 
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Wow, you do prison ministries.... I go visit prisons to share Gods love, but sometimes it hurts, especially if they are friends, family or close aquaintances, and in Miami with all the drugs, and smuggling there are a lot....

(Hey, dont you sleep, what are you doing up at 4 in the morning...;) )

Yeah, I love being apart of prison ministries. I go with and I'm learning from Keith Johnson. You may have talked to him at HS.com. He developed these four questions. Fortunately, the prisoners we reach are "transitional" prisoners that are set to leave state custody in a short period of time, usually less than a year.

These are critical times to reach them because they are soon to be released back into the public. I love seeing the changes in them and the newfound understanding they have for God's charcter and His true nature.

BTW, it's only 2am here on the leftcoast and I'm all wound up from my wife's company Christmas party, so therefore, I post!
 
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Do you want mercy or justice for your daughter (?) and what do those that are related to those who were on bus want?

RND, an interesting post. Do you think that mercy and justice are mutually exclusive?
 
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Hi RND,

Thank you for an excellent post! I think it speaks for itself.

Your brother in Christ,
Doc :wave:

You are most welcome. I wish I could take credit for this post but I owe all the content and teaching to my good friend and Christian mentor Keith Johnson.
 
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Yes.

Justice is given for what is deserved.

Mercy overlooks that which is deserved.

If not fully encompassing one another, maybe they are at least held by each other? In your example, justice and mercy are more autonomous because they are ascribed to individuals and not the greater good. But is God really unjust when God is merciful?
 
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I'm afraid that if I answered I would be considered a hypocrite!

Do I get any credit for being honest? :thumbsup:

Yes! That's why it is best to answer these question on your own, without publishing them for all to see.

The Lord knows your heart!
 
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If not fully encompassing one another, maybe they are at least held by each other?

Justice says we should get what we deserve. Mercy puts what we deserve aside for other reasons than what is right.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Justice says we deserve death, but the gift (mercy) is eternal life that is through Jesus Christ.

In your example, justice and mercy are more autonomous because they are ascribed to individuals and not the greater good.

We aren't saved based on the "greater good." We are saved individually based on our willingness to respond to the love we are shown and God the Father and the Son.

But is God really unjust when God is merciful?

Are you viewing the same thread I am? Have I said anything in this thread that would lead you to such a conclusion?
 
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Are you viewing the same thread I am?

I believe so . . .
Mercy puts what we deserve aside for other reasons than what is right.

So, the exception to mutual exclusivity is God? Or are you saying justice doesn't come into play when God acts mercifully?
 
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I believe so . . .

OK.

So, the exception to mutual exclusivity is God?

Depends on what type of mercy is being discussed doesn't it?

For example, whether the crowd offered the adulterous woman (Mary) mercy does not impact the mercy that God (Jesus Christ is this case) offered her.

Now, had the crowd offered her the same level of mercy as did Christ would that have impacted the decision of Christ to alter or withdraw His mercy? Of course not.

Whether we are merciful or not has little impact as to the mercy offered to both the mericful and unmerciful on the planet.

Matthew 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Or are you saying justice doesn't come into play when God acts mercifully?

If God was to give us what we deserve then mercy would naturally be excluded. The promise is that He will show us His mercy when we seek to be as merciful as He is.

Question 3 is: What if I told you that you are guilty of the murder of the only begotten Son of God? Would you want mercy or justice as the perpetrator?

If ones desires justice then they would never seek out the free gift of mercy that is offered. Does that mean that the mercy of God does not exist or that it just wasn't accepted?

If God's mercy does not exist then obviously the Bible is a sham and untrustworthy. If God's mercy does indeed exist then we merely need to reach out and accept the free gift and learn then to extend the same gift to other's and He has offered to us.

Justice and mercy are mutually exclusive.

Psalms 33:22 Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.
 
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OK.



Depends on what type of mercy is being discussed doesn't it?

For example, whether the crowd offered the adulterous woman (Mary) mercy does not impact the mercy that God (Jesus Christ is this case) offered her.

Now, had the crowd offered her the same level of mercy as did Christ would that have impacted the decision of Christ to alter or withdraw His mercy? Of course not.

Whether we are merciful or not has little impact as to the mercy offered to both the mericful and unmerciful on the planet.

Matthew 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.



If God was to give us what we deserve then mercy would naturally be excluded. The promise is that He will show us His mercy when we seek to be as merciful as He is.

Question 3 is: What if I told you that you are guilty of the murder of the only begotten Son of God? Would you want mercy or justice as the perpetrator?

If ones desires justice then they would never seek out the free gift of mercy that is offered. Does that mean that the mercy of God does not exist or that it just wasn't accepted?

If God's mercy does not exist then obviously the Bible is a sham and untrustworthy. If God's mercy does indeed exist then we merely need to reach out and accept the free gift and learn then to extend the same gift to other's and He has offered to us.

Justice and mercy are mutually exclusive.

Psalms 33:22 Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

I understand you better now. Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully reply. Blessings RND!
 
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