It would appear that Intelligent Design is true.

Vene said:

Speaking of Thor.

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Wow! Is that real or photoshop?

ElijahFalling said:

Well now you're back to explaining physical things (molecular crazyness) in terms of other physical things (heat engergy). What causes heat energy to exist?

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Well, heat energy is the movement of molecules and atoms. I would say that this is either something that has a cause I don't know of, or it just exists. Though I wouldn't accredit it to a supernatural being.

Vene said:

Well, heat energy is the movement of molecules and atoms. I would say that this is either something that has a cause I don't know of, or it just exists. Though I wouldn't accredit it to a supernatural being.

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Well as it stands I have an explaination for things that "just exist" and you do not.

Belk said:

Wow! Is that real or photoshop?

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Photoshop, at least worth1000 is a photoshop site.

ElijahFalling said:

Well as it stands I have an explaination for things that "just exist" and you do not.

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God did it is no more an explanation than Thor did it, Zeus did it, Ra did it, or the faeries did it.

Don't forget the great flying spaghetti monster!

Vene said:

God did it is no more an explanation than Thor did it, Zeus did it, Ra did it, or the faeries did it.

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Yes but Ra and Zues and fearies, etc are all limited beings with limited powers and were personified in a physical human way and would need a cause themselves to exist since they were physical beings.

But surely the real question is.... (I've seen Hitchens ask this a few times but never receive a half-decent answer):
If Homo sapiens has been around for 100,000 or more years (maybe as much as 250,000), on a planet that is around 4,500,000,000 years old: why has god only appeared to a handful of his 'chosen ones' in the middle east in the last 6-8,000 years?
Why the wait?
What about the rest of us?
While god freed his people from the Egyptians (suposedly) the rest of us were dancing naked in the moonlight to a whole host of gods (sorry Wican, I know it isn't quite like that - so apologies if I offend any pagans)- why did he not interfere?
If Yahweh imparts his strength in battle to his believers, how come the Vikings or Romans ever won a fight?

ElijahFalling said:

Yes but Ra and Zues and fearies, etc are all limited beings with limited powers and were personified in a physical human way and would need a cause themselves to exist since they were physical beings.

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Then I guess that Christianity can't be right as we were created in God's image. Kinda hard for a nonphysical being to have a physical image.

Vene said:

God did it is no more an explanation than Thor did it, Zeus did it, Ra did it, or the faeries did it.

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At any rate those explainations are still better than none at all; but if you are admitting that you honestly don't know what lies beyond our physical plane and accept the possibility that it could be what I'm describing, you would be better off classifying yourself as agnostic and not atheist.

Vene said:

Then I guess that Christianity can't be right as we were created in God's image. Kinda hard for a nonphysical being to have a physical image.

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"image" in that context does not mean physical appearance, it is refering to the fact that we also are autonomous beings with free will and character and have the capacity to feel love and things like that. All spiritual things, not physical.

ElijahFalling said:

At any rate those explainations are still better than none at all; but if you are admitting that you honestly don't know what lies beyond our physical plane and accept the possibility that it could be what I'm describing, you would be better off classifying yourself as agnostic and not atheist.

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I do classify myself as agnostic as well, that's what weak atheism is, I am definitely not a strong atheist.. In fact, I'm an atheist-agnostic-ignostic-Discordian. I just use atheist as I have no belief in any god.

ElijahFalling said:

At any rate those explainations are still better than none at all; but if you are admitting that you honestly don't know what lies beyond our physical plane and accept the possibility that it could be what I'm describing, you would be better off classifying yourself as agnostic and not atheist.

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No, an "explanation" is not better than no explanation. Being wrong but throwing out wild ideas is not somehow superior to reserving your claim until you get more information.

And let's not get into this agnostic atheist thing for the umpteenth time. Most atheists do not claim absolute knowledge. No, this does not make us agnostics, because we make decisions based on likelihoods. I base many decisions in my life on probability. I drive into an intersection after looking both ways. Am I 100% philosophically sure no cars will hit me when I do this? No. I just trust my observations and go off of the most reasonable, highest probability. You don't call me an agnostic with respect to "deciding whether or not to drive into the street". I'm not an agnostic with respect to God either. I'm just fairly sure one does not exist, and thus I am an atheist.

ElijahFalling said:

"image" in that context does not mean physical appearance, it is refering to the fact that we also are autonomous beings with free will and character and have the capacity to feel love and things like that. All spiritual things, not physical.

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Emotions are chemical and electrical processes that occur in the brain. You know, physical things.

ElijahFalling said:

Yes but Ra and Zues and fearies, etc are all limited beings with limited powers and were personified in a physical human way and would need a cause themselves to exist since they were physical beings.

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What if I made up my own God, in the same way the Greeks and Romans did, and called it all powerful and not needing a cause to exist. It would be the same as God, except it would be a different God. I would call him Gahd.

Now who are you to say that Gahd didn't create the universe? Remember, I believe in Gahd as powerfully as you believe in God.

Vene said:

Emotions are chemical and electrical processes that occur in the brain. You know, physical things.

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Those physical things are the result of spiritual things that cause them first. The spiritual world is the real world, this world is simply a representation of it.

Danyc said:

What if I made up my own God, in the same way the Greeks and Romans did, and called it all powerful and not needing a cause to exist. It would be the same as God, except it would be a different God. I would call him Gahd.

Now who are you to say that Gahd didn't create the universe? Remember, I believe in Gahd as powerfully as you believe in God.

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I suggest that God is a girl and her name is Eris. She created the universe as a joke and sometimes gets it in her head to toy with us.

ElijahFalling said:

Those physical things are the result of spiritual things that cause them first. The spiritual world is the real world, this world is simply a representation of it.

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Evidence or those are just words.

Danyc said:

What if I made up my own God, in the same way the Greeks and Romans did, and called it all powerful and not needing a cause to exist. It would be the same as God, except it would be a different God. I would call him Gahd.

Now who are you to say that Gahd didn't create the universe? Remember, I believe in Gahd as powerfully as you believe in God.

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Then you would just be refering to my God by a different name. You are basing your fictional character off of my God and therefore are actually refering to him.

ElijahFalling said:

Then you would just be refering to my God by a different name. You are basing your fictional character off of my God and therefore are actually refering to him.

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No, this is a completely different God. I believe in an entity that is not God, but Gahd. They are 2 separate entities. One I worship, one you worship.