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mpshiel
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see, I am sorry but it is things like this that make me believe some Christians are taking mongo hits off some sort of bong - because, change Christianity for Hippee, and change "the Bible" to "Peace" and I've heard this in different forms from people who were high (and on more than just "life").
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I take anti-depressants... for a chemical imbalance...am I somehow less of a christian?
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Illuminatus
Draft the chickenhawks
sk8Joyful said:Right -
and likewise, why would a Christian *enjoying living GOD's/Christ's WORD* -
(choose feeling taking 'anti-depressants' is good? Yet, sadly increasingly Christians do that, instead),
Learning *how* to live happy... naturally
Depression is a medical condition. You treat medical conditions with all the resources you can muster, including medication.
And please, learn to post in a readable fashion. Your posts hurt my eyes.
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You are trying to rep Illuminatus...You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.
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Depression in individuals is simply the symptom of a very sick society ... it only occurs in modern 'civilisation' and has grown to plague proportions in 'Western'-style societies ... the societies cannot acknowledge it or treat it because it is caused by the central tenets of the sociey , such as the unjust monet system, inequality, unsharing, unloviingness ...
Very entertaining animation making the equally serious point showing how men became bound to evil in our societies....
http://tinyurl.com/2uoexg
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I don't believe depression is caused by modern society and did not exist in ancient times. Depression can be cause by chemical imbalance and by tragety in our lives that have nothing to do with unjust monet system, inequality, unsharing and unlovingness.
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Dear rwc. Befor Jesus found me, I was quite nice to know, ( I believe) but I was too much concerned about my growing family, to have much feeling for others, I was friendly und tried to smile, rather than frown. After my family started their own families, I found time to think about life and meaning of life, and after some time, I learned to love and to care as Jesus taughts us. Now I feel a different person, I have learned to overcome fear, to accept the Joy and Peace Jesus alone can give, and I am always ready to share these gifts with my fellow - beings. Life has not become without its setbacks and sadnesses, but I have a Friend to help me overcome them, and share good, as well as bad days with. Now that I have retired from active duty in the Salvation Army, I am still a Soldier for my Lord, but my fighting is mostly praying. That is what I am, and that is what I believe, to love God with all my being, to treat everybody as I would like to treated myself, with love and considerration, and to follow Jesus back to our original home, with God our Father in Heaven. I say this humbly and with love, rwc, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.
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Hi Emmy ... I've been away a long time... sugest you try the redfox club in Chritisn clubs... very friendly people
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Namaste rwc109,
thank you for the post. sorry for my tardy reply.
since this is where the skill developed seems a fair thing for attribution.
interesting. would you be able to explain your methodology to another so that they would have the same experience as you've had?
this is incorrect. in point of fact, such a technique is spoken of as being unable to do what you are suggesting within the bulk of Buddhist praxis.
of course there are multiple forms of meditation which can be found throughout the Asian and mid Asian cultures the most reknowed being Samatha and Vipassana, calming and insight.
in any event, the use of the discurisve intellect to stop the discursive intellect is fruitless. as the old saying goes "a sword edge cannot cut it self."
i'm not sure who taught you of the various meditational praxis to be found in Asian thought though i would suggest that whomever has done so did not have a very thorough understanding of the subject.
metta,
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thank you for the post. sorry for my tardy reply.
since this is where the skill developed seems a fair thing for attribution.
interesting. would you be able to explain your methodology to another so that they would have the same experience as you've had?
this is incorrect. in point of fact, such a technique is spoken of as being unable to do what you are suggesting within the bulk of Buddhist praxis.
of course there are multiple forms of meditation which can be found throughout the Asian and mid Asian cultures the most reknowed being Samatha and Vipassana, calming and insight.
in any event, the use of the discurisve intellect to stop the discursive intellect is fruitless. as the old saying goes "a sword edge cannot cut it self."
i'm not sure who taught you of the various meditational praxis to be found in Asian thought though i would suggest that whomever has done so did not have a very thorough understanding of the subject.
metta,
~v
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Namaste Stranger,
thank you for the post.
actually, this is the case as presented by all the Semetic traditions in contrast with the Sanatana Dharma. in the Semetic traditions, humans and God are not the same thing, there is an intrinsic difference betwixt the two whereas in the Sanatandharma traditions humanity and, indeed, all of the cosmos are intrinsically the same.
consequently the method for reuniting with the Semetic deitiy involves and external mechanism whereas for the Sanatanadharma adherent it is a psychological relinking (yoga) to the Supramundane principle that one has always been part of.
here's an excerpt from a previous post:
the best known Occidental example of this image of the first being, split in two, which seem to be two but are actually one, is, for course, that of the Book of Genesis, second chapter, where it is turned, however, to a different sense. For the couple is spearated here by a superior being, who, as we are told, caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man and, while he slept, took one of his ribs.
in the Indian version it is the god himself that divides and becomes not man alone but all creation; so that everything is a manifestation of that single inhabiting divine substance: there is no other; whereas in the Bible, God and man, from the beginning, are distinct. Man is made in the image of God, indeed, and the breath of God has been breathed into his nostrils; yet his being, his self, is not that of God, nor is it one with the universe. The fashioning of the world, of animals, and of Adam (who then became Adam and Eve) was accomplished not within the sphere of divinity but outside of it.
there is, consequently, an intrinsic, not merely formal, separation, and the goal of knowledge cannot be to see God here and now in all things; for God is not in things. God is transcendent. God is beheld only by the dead. the goal of knowledge has to be, rather, to know the relationship of God to His creation, or, more specifically, to man, and through such knowledge, by God's grace, to link one's own will back to that of the Creator.
moreover, according to the Biblical version of this myth, it was only after creation that man fell, whereas in the Indian example creation itself was a fall - the fragmentation of a God. and the God is not condemned. Rather, his creation, his "pouring forth" is described as an act of voluntary, dynamic will-to-be-more, which anteceded creation and has, therefore, a metaphysical, symbolical, not literal, historical meaning. the fall of Adam and Eve was an event within the already created frame of time and space, an accident that should not have taken place. the myth of the Self in the form of a man, on the other hand, who looked around and saw nothing but himself, and said "I", felt fear, and then desired to be two, tells of an intrinsic, not errant, factor in the manifold of being, the correction or undoing of which would not improve, but dissolve, creation. the Indian point of view is metaphyscial, poetical; the Biblical, ethical and historical.
http://christianforums.com/t58645-the-shared-myth.html
interesting view.
metta,
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thank you for the post.
actually, this is the case as presented by all the Semetic traditions in contrast with the Sanatana Dharma. in the Semetic traditions, humans and God are not the same thing, there is an intrinsic difference betwixt the two whereas in the Sanatandharma traditions humanity and, indeed, all of the cosmos are intrinsically the same.
consequently the method for reuniting with the Semetic deitiy involves and external mechanism whereas for the Sanatanadharma adherent it is a psychological relinking (yoga) to the Supramundane principle that one has always been part of.
here's an excerpt from a previous post:
the best known Occidental example of this image of the first being, split in two, which seem to be two but are actually one, is, for course, that of the Book of Genesis, second chapter, where it is turned, however, to a different sense. For the couple is spearated here by a superior being, who, as we are told, caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man and, while he slept, took one of his ribs.
in the Indian version it is the god himself that divides and becomes not man alone but all creation; so that everything is a manifestation of that single inhabiting divine substance: there is no other; whereas in the Bible, God and man, from the beginning, are distinct. Man is made in the image of God, indeed, and the breath of God has been breathed into his nostrils; yet his being, his self, is not that of God, nor is it one with the universe. The fashioning of the world, of animals, and of Adam (who then became Adam and Eve) was accomplished not within the sphere of divinity but outside of it.
there is, consequently, an intrinsic, not merely formal, separation, and the goal of knowledge cannot be to see God here and now in all things; for God is not in things. God is transcendent. God is beheld only by the dead. the goal of knowledge has to be, rather, to know the relationship of God to His creation, or, more specifically, to man, and through such knowledge, by God's grace, to link one's own will back to that of the Creator.
moreover, according to the Biblical version of this myth, it was only after creation that man fell, whereas in the Indian example creation itself was a fall - the fragmentation of a God. and the God is not condemned. Rather, his creation, his "pouring forth" is described as an act of voluntary, dynamic will-to-be-more, which anteceded creation and has, therefore, a metaphysical, symbolical, not literal, historical meaning. the fall of Adam and Eve was an event within the already created frame of time and space, an accident that should not have taken place. the myth of the Self in the form of a man, on the other hand, who looked around and saw nothing but himself, and said "I", felt fear, and then desired to be two, tells of an intrinsic, not errant, factor in the manifold of being, the correction or undoing of which would not improve, but dissolve, creation. the Indian point of view is metaphyscial, poetical; the Biblical, ethical and historical.
http://christianforums.com/t58645-the-shared-myth.html
interesting view.
metta,
~v
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Namaste my friend, and no problem
Not quite, I learned the 'idea' off an amateur, developed it alone with God ... He is really the best to meditate upon if one is serious, but one had better not value one's life if doing so
Sure, just stop thinking and yearn for od from the heart... just as well to get comfortable first , can be a long wait {lolol?]
Now that is interesting, because I am currently seeking these people that I naver heard of yet ... tell me more
Yeah , I got the calming over a year ago now... awesome ... and the insight is now upon me, a quickening... loads of tears ,laughter , and intense seeing through this 'reality' as illusion.
Aye, that is true of course [even the bible says this much]
Spot on again! But they only introduced nme to the idea, God is amuch better teacher than any man
metta,
Peace and Light be with you
through faith in Love.
Roger.
May I invite you to Red Foxes Circles in Christian Clubs to sample the air... we are doing something unique there , calling down Y'shua ....
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Namaste my friend,
i think you are confusing mainline christian sinners [oxymoron] with what the scriptue actually says , an easy mistake ... God never said anything about the fall of mankind ... think about it, y'shua was no sinner!
As to your other point, when finding disagreement always try to see how both sides are both true and false , then the truth becomes clear
Or alternatively use inntuition cos' it is far more powerful than reason [see for instance Benedict Spinoza's 'Ethics' ]
metta
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Namaste rwc,
thank you for the post.
we would, of course, disagree with the idea of meditational focus in this instance, i suspect
given that God, per se, is beyond conception it would seem to be rather difficult to use this as a meditational focus, at least in my experience.
how does one "stop thinking" in your method?
i completely agree, the proper posture is very important to help one remain alert whilst on the cushion.
what can i tell you?
the observation that using mind to find mind cannot work is quite well established within the Buddhist paradigm and several of the most promienent teachers have given teachings on this. there are several sayings that have made it into the vernacular such as; a hand cannot grasp itself, reality doesn't seek reality.
i'm not sure what that is but, if its on this forum, i suspect that is a Christian only area and i cannot post there, thank you for the invitation though.
metta,
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thank you for the post.
rwc109 said:
we would, of course, disagree with the idea of meditational focus in this instance, i suspect
given that God, per se, is beyond conception it would seem to be rather difficult to use this as a meditational focus, at least in my experience.
how does one "stop thinking" in your method?
i completely agree, the proper posture is very important to help one remain alert whilst on the cushion.
what can i tell you?
the observation that using mind to find mind cannot work is quite well established within the Buddhist paradigm and several of the most promienent teachers have given teachings on this. there are several sayings that have made it into the vernacular such as; a hand cannot grasp itself, reality doesn't seek reality.
i'm not sure what that is but, if its on this forum, i suspect that is a Christian only area and i cannot post there, thank you for the invitation though.
metta,
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Namaste my dear friend,
and thank you for the post.
you wrote:-
I think you misundestood because of the inadequacy of words, meditation breaks down the barriers in the mind, expanding the conciousness until on contacts one's deepest desire to love... at that point one reaches to God, it is not done by forming a conception of God , but simply by open-ended meditation ... the problem is taht if one, like me , is not perfectly loving when one tries it, then God says NO! rathere firmly , often killing people... I barely survived and was at deaths door for three days... I leaned my lesson and now work at perfecting my love before trying again.... sorry mu clumsy words weren't clearwe would, of course, disagree with the idea of meditational focus in this instance, i suspect
Yes it wouldn't work if one used a image of God, since that would be an idol anyway , besides limiting the depth of the meditation.
well most people satrt by trying to still their mind, and after a weekof listening t every thought they ever thought, most acn get that far, but myself I prefered to imagine a nice warm dark space outside sound an disturbance, and just projected into it... that way one doesn't go too deep at first and it makes entering meditation become automatic, then one can do it at any time once the mind has learned the switches to operate the change in brain frequecy required... I think the hardest part is teh first week when thoughts just flood out , some gte frustratedm, but its what happens in the inhibited mind, open the barriers and all the censored thoughts come out ... it is actually cathartic if one pays full attention, but many seem to view it as a nuisance... that is really a bad thing to teach one's mind, hard to unlearn..
proper posture will save one a lot of backache LOL? after a while , when it is automatic, ,one can meditate almost anywhere, so long as no-one interrupts
These are quite true, but 'God' is actively involved in some few {Rev 7:3-4] - so meditation is facilitated from the other side [as-it-were] , everyone will be able to do it in the new earth, but only few in thi life
Hmmm , do you not believe in the love that Jesus showed the world and said showed us God ? no-one in this group will ever call a moderator anyway, it ain't ourway, and we don't hnetly believe anyone is seen any differently by God just because they stick labels on themselves --- still it up to you, a personal decision ... quite frankly almost none of those calling themselve 'christian' follows Jesus at all, they all follow Satan, but don't even know satan is the lord of all sinners.. i really don't kno how the think that they can fool God ! ????
metta,
Roger
PS personally the site rules mean nothing, they are riddled with incosistencies, dogam, injustice ,and applied loosely and unjustly... you might as well just chnge your icon to nominallybe a christian, siince IMHO you are closer t Jesus than most who secured themselves favourable rights ... I am acttually working to put this nonsense straight, but it is by nature a long haul...
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