Violence crimes

What would you do when you see a violence crime occur?

  • take action

  • don't get involved

  • I honestly don't know how I would respond at that moment.


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Marcel

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Today on the news...

...In Venlo, the Netherlands two teenagers on moped scooters, speeding on the pavement in front of a supermarket, nearly knocked an old lady of her feet. When a young man approached the teenagers, and verbally reprimended them he was severely kicked and beaten by the two.

The teenagers went groceryshopping in the same supermarket straight afterwards, where they got arrested.

The young man had to be taken to the hospital by a trauma helicopter. He died at the hospital from severe injuries to the head.

Off course the fact that one of the teenagers was of Marokkan descent shouldn't lead to the conclusion that Dutch immigrants from that country tend to have more of a criminal/violent streak. That's why it's especially sad that violence crimes in the Netherlands are so often linked to that particular "cultural" background. It's fuel for those that do tend to generalize, but it also makes it hard for me to consider that link purely coincidental, as much as I'm opposed to discrimination and racism.

 :sigh: hearing about things like that, fill you with a unnerving sense of desparation.

In Holland the officialy encouraged course of action when whitnessing violence crimes is 1)don't get involved' 2)remember what the perpetrators look like 3)call the emergency number (112)

A different, more vigalant course of action, could've saved an innocent life, but then again; what would that have led to?

My sympathy goes out to the family and friends of that poor guy, that got kicked and beaten to death by a couple of aggressive anti-social punks, for taking a stand in a civilized manner.

~Marcel~
 

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I'm not sure whether there were many witnesses. The newsreport didn't mention that. Maybe the old lady was the only one that saw it. Like I said the authorities prefer it if people don't take matters into their own hands with this sort of situation. Which I think kinda sucks.

There is going to be a silent march held by the way.
 
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I look forward to the promise found in the Bible at Proverbs 2:20-22.

(Proverbs 2:20-22) The purpose is that you may walk in the way of good people and that the paths of the righteous ones you may keep. 21 For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. 22 As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.

Just think what it will be like when the wicked are removed from the earth and only the upright are left. Finally, true peace and security!
 
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I think that in an open place like a supermarket, I don't see why people could not have gotten involved and helped that man! Someone could have yelled out "Im calling the police!" without getting near the the teens and that may have stopped them from killing the guy.

If I will get involved or not depends on a lot of variables. I may just yell out that I'm calling the cops to get them to stop as long as I'm in a safe place where they can't get to me, like my car driving by or inside a crouded building or something. If I see like an unarmed 10 yr old attacking an old lady or a little kid or something I may interfere, I know I can take on a 10 yr old. LOL! But if it's like 2 grown men who are armed, I will hide for my own safety!


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I don't know how I'd respond in such a situation. I like to think I'd be the proverbial big, strong, man and step up and do something, but since I've never been in such a situation I don't know what I'd do. I might wet my pants and run away screaming like a school-girl.
Legally, I don't think one is obligated to do anything if they see a crime in progress. But on a moral level, I would feel obligated to do something, even if it only call for help or call the police or something.
 
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I voted that I do not know.

After September 11, many of my friends were talking about how they would have followed the example of the heroes on the aircraft that crashed in Pennsylvania and charged the hijackers.

I was not so certain that I would act bravely. I am not so certain that I would not have sat and hoped for others to do something or that this plane was not going to be crashed into a building.

Perhaps I would act bravely.

But on of the reasons why the action hero archtype is so lauded in our society is that it is comparatively rare. Many people are heroic in different ways, but violence is alien to most people in the west.
 
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[SHADOW=skyblue]I don't know if I would have reacted either. Maybe if I was in the parking lot in my car with the safety of distance and my cell phone. Its interesting that United Airlines flight 93 was mentioned. About 3 months after the terror attacks, I went to Paris on an American Airlines 767, out of Boston. The same circumstances as the first jet to crash into the World Trade Center, except the destination was different. Anyway, my uncle, who is a cop, was flying with us, and thankfully he was able to take his gun on board the plane. I remember thinking when we took off, if anyone tried to hijack this plane, was someone going to be as brave as the guy who said "Lets Roll" before the passengers of United 93 fought the hijackers, or was someone going to yell, "anyone have a gun" and wait for my uncle to deal with the nutcases? [/SHADOW]
 
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I voted for taking action but I believe that no one should get physicaly involved unless they know they are capable of doing what they mean to do. Having two victims would be twice as bad as having one.

It shouldn't be any surprise anymore why such violence seems rampant in society. There never seems to be a time when there is no war somewhere on the planet and games and movies are mostly geared towards violence. If the people who are responsible for being role models for young people were more conscientious, then the young people wouldn't grow up with so much hatred and disrespect for society.
 
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I was in a similar situation when I traveled with my brother who is an F.B.I agent, he carried his gun and I thought...well at least he'll kick butt if anything does go down...

I am curious if pilots are allowed to carry guns now in the cockpit...I'll have to ask my sister who is a pilot for Delta, I am inclined to think they can not...

I personally think they should be able to carry one on board...
 
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Originally posted by amie
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I was in a similar situation when I traveled with my brother who is an F.B.I agent, he carried his gun and I thought...well at least he'll kick butt if anything does go down...

I am curious if pilots are allowed to carry guns now in the cockpit...I'll have to ask my sister who is a pilot for Delta, I am inclined to think they can not...

I personally think they should be able to carry one on board...

Your bro is an FBI agent? Cool! :cool: :D


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I voted that I was not sure what I would do because each situation is different and the most important factor is what started it in the first place.

I consider myself a man of action and I would never, if necessary stand by and watch something like that, however....I prefer to have my wits about me and an understanding of the situation before I get involved.

For instance, as we recently studied in psychology, as you are approaching a street corner, you hear a girl yell "somebody help my daddy" and as you run around the corner you see a man lying on the ground bleeding profusely from the head, and another man over top of him taking off his jacket. What would you do?

Most people assume the man is being mugged after being struck in the head, but what if the guy actually tripped, hit his head on something and the individual was trying to remove his jacket to wrap the guys head in? You just don't know, and that's what worries me.

But in a situation where I saw the whole even unfold, like the scooter, I would definatley get involved, I couldn't stand myself knowing I stood by and watched that man get beat to death for defending an old lady, and if anyone was there that sat by and watched, I'm of the opinion that they should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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Here is one big reason why violence is getting more prevalent (probably the biggest):


"The right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Sounds pretty simple doesn't it? Yet this right is infringed upon more and more every day. Here in Newark there is a local businessman, Mr. Cooper, who owns two deli/liquour  stores. He is a law abiding man, not looking for any trouble, but since he is living the American dream with a cash business, he is a target for thugs raised on getting something for nothing. But Mr. Cooper is not an easy target. He did the seemingly impossible, and navigated the bureaucratic jungle sufficiently to be allowed to own a registered handgun to protect what he works so hard for-his life and his livelihood. Last year, miscreants tried to rob him. He responded the old fashioned way, with hot lead. No innocent people were hurt, and he protected his own life in a legal manner with a registered firearm. What was the response from those whose duty it is to protect and to serve? Those criminals in blue took away his effective legal means of defense and replaced it with nothing. Yes they confiscated his handgun. Did they offer to protect his store or its employees 24 hours a day, seven days a week? No. Did they protect his constitutional rights at all? No. Did they make it easier for the next thug or group of thugs to rob him? Well. Mr. Cooper is not a fool. He obtained another handgun and this time he didn't register it. Why bother telling these donut eating Johnny come latelies that you will be looking out for your own **** skin, thank you very much? What, so they can protect and serve you by taking away another of your self-defense tools? So a couple of weeks ago, another set of hooligans decided to rob Mr. Cooper. Who knows, maybe they read the paper and saw that the police had disarmed him, and thus thought he would be an easy target. Au contraire! One of the thugs shot Mr. Cooper in the leg, and Mr. Cooper responded by sending the principal thug for a long dirt nap with a grand opening in his head. Of course the others ran away. Donut boys arrived on the scene, and they ARRESTED Mr. Cooper for having an unregistered firearm!!!! I don't remember that pesky second amendment saying anything about registering for your RIGHT to bear arms. That's like saying you have free speech, but you must register all printing presses, copy machines and typewriters you own. Ridiculous! If  Mr. Cooper had followed this unconstitutional law to the letter, there is no doubt he would be dead. Would Mrs. Cooper have been able to sue the police department for wrongful death? Not bloody likely, and even if she could, that would not bring her hardworking, honest husband of many years back. Fortunately, Mr. Cooper decided to protect himself, his business and his family, despite opposition, from those donut boys whose salary HE PAYS, with the taxes from a great business he built from nothing. He is here today because it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If you are ever in Newark, New Jersey, be sure to check out Cooper's Deli. The sandwiches are great, and the man that started it deserves respect and support."

-Taken from another forum

This sort of thing happens more and more.  It's horrible.  People have a RIGHT to protect themselves and their property.  Government is taking that right away, bit by bit.
 
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