So, you say that it has been established in scripture that other races and peoples are treated equally in the church, even though they are not named. And yet at the same time you say that women - who are given leadership roles within the Bible - are not included equally in the church.
well Judging from this response to an earlier quote.
By the OPs rationale, God is RACIST too. I see only Jews and a handfull of non-Jewish Middle-Easterners in the Bible.
God has no plan for Europeans, Australians, Japanese, Orientals and especially those Americans.
The gospel is to be preached to all nations, what part of all are any of the above omitted from?
The scriptures provide the history of the church, and provide guidance for it, including specific roles, for specific people.
That does not change because it is 2007.
their were slaves then, their are slaves now, maby not in your nation or mine, but they still exist somewhere, and so verses addressing them are still relevant.
Just as verses defining roles for men and women are, I had elaborated a bit in my original post before retracting the majority for possible posting in a new thread to hopefully shed further light upon the debate, but just as some of these tend to snowball, I plan on saying my piece, and then letting the chips fall where they may.
And your defence is to say that I am ignorant?
more of an observation of many in these boards.
You take offense just as many others do, at what you perceive as in justice, yet have you asked if it really is in just?
if so then why?
I assume you like many others perceive such verses in the scripture as perverted by men, and their agendas, yet in your very opposition you are purveying your own agenda.
I can see from your profile you are an amalgamation of many different beliefs ,and ideas, yet in doing so you are forced to compromise.
My response was based in your mentioning groups of people who did not exist at the time of the writing of the scriptures, and your assessment that means Gos is racist, I concluded that your response
Was based on your ignorance of what they actually say, as it is demonstrative of that notion. Having been brought out of my own amalgamated belief system I identify with it totally, but I was Ignorant of the scriptures myself for he majority of my life ,taking in anything, and everything provided, as long as it appealed to me.
When I became a Christian, I learned I had to give up, my childish things, and die to my self, in doing so I realized I had been indoctrinated with the vast majority of the beliefs I held without examining those beliefs to see if they were valid, or frankly if they evened worked.
Case in point this issue precisely, I originally assumed that the scriptures were corrupt , and that men and women were "equal"
and that equality meant that roles were shared, and interchangeable
But upon further examination of the scriptures, as well as how the dynamics of what they spoke of actually worked I had to give up my old preconception and concede I was wrong, and God was right.
But for example, I noticed in your interest you are a polymath, but have you ever heard of the old saying "jack of all trades, master of none"? it does ring true no matter how "good" you are at some skill, their is always someone better., and in many cases while you might have an interest in say medicine, you do not necessarily want to place the life of another person in your own hands should they get into an automobile accident.
As for the scriptures I found it most useful to Take preconceptions out of the mix and read what the scriptures say, and then ponder why they are right.
