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Palestinians are people too, deserving of peace and justice along with their Israeli neighbors.

Visiting Palestine
Deborah Agre writing from occupied Jerusalem, Live from Palestine, 15 November 2007

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The remains of Yacoub Odeh's family home in the destroyed village of Lifta. (Judith Mahoney Pasternak) Almost every day, I think, talk, and read about Palestine. But it had been more than three years since my last trip and there are some things you can really only get by going there -- seeing the landscape and its destruction, the daily insults and injuries of occupation, and most of all, getting to know a few people, hearing their stories, and being invited into their lives.

Yacoub Odeh was the guide for Middle East Children's Alliance's twelve-day tour through Palestine/Israel. He became a friend who told me and showed me things I know I will never forget. At age 67, Yacoub seems to carry with him the whole history of modern Palestine. And that is above all a history -- and ongoing experience -- of terrible loss.
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Palestinians are people too, deserving of peace and justice along with their Israeli neighbors.

Visiting Palestine
Deborah Agre writing from occupied Jerusalem, Live from Palestine, 15 November 2007

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The remains of Yacoub Odeh's family home in the destroyed village of Lifta. (Judith Mahoney Pasternak) Almost every day, I think, talk, and read about Palestine. But it had been more than three years since my last trip and there are some things you can really only get by going there -- seeing the landscape and its destruction, the daily insults and injuries of occupation, and most of all, getting to know a few people, hearing their stories, and being invited into their lives.

Yacoub Odeh was the guide for Middle East Children's Alliance's twelve-day tour through Palestine/Israel. He became a friend who told me and showed me things I know I will never forget. At age 67, Yacoub seems to carry with him the whole history of modern Palestine. And that is above all a history -- and ongoing experience -- of terrible loss.
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"Occupied Jerusalem" Tell me how is Jerusalem occupied? The "Palestinians" exist in name only for as a people they do not exist as they have never existed.
 
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Micah68 consider this Scripture:

(Isaiah 48:22) [There is] no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

Minister50, Why did the Prince of Peace come? Why did the Prince of Peace shed his blood? Why did the Prince of Peace arose after 3 days? Minister50, no disrespect intended, but I chose to read the OT with my NT eyes.
 
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"Occupied Jerusalem" Tell me how is Jerusalem occupied? The "Palestinians" exist in name only for as a people they do not exist as they have never existed.


Tanakh, Everytime I reply to you I pray God stills my hand. No matter how hard you wish it or try you can not make a whole race disappear. Because Palestine has never been a actual 'state' does not mean there are no Palestinian people.
 
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Minister50, Why did the Prince of Peace come? Why did the Prince of Peace shed his blood? Why did the Prince of Peace arose after 3 days? Minister50, no disrespect intended, but I chose to read the OT with my NT eyes.
A man must be "Born Again". Those who reject the Lord do so willingly, as they also can willingly accept Him. And as the Scriptures say:

(Isaiah 40:7) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people [is] grass.

(Isaiah 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
 
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A man must be "Born Again". Those who reject the Lord do so willingly, as they also can willingly accept Him. And as the Scriptures say:

(Isaiah 40:7) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people [is] grass.

(Isaiah 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


Minister50; You did not answer my question, Minister50, Why did the Prince of Peace come? Why did the Prince of Peace shed his blood? Why did the Prince of Peace arose after 3 days?
 
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Tanakh, Everytime I reply to you I pray God stills my hand. No matter how hard you wish it or try you can not make a whole race disappear. Because Palestine has never been a actual 'state' does not mean there are no Palestinian people.
The so-called "Palestinians" are not a race. The only reason they "exist" is because the international community uses them so that the only thing that the world sees is Israel as the big bad guy which they are NOT!
 
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The so-called "Palestinians" are not a race. The only reason they "exist" is because the international community uses them so that the only thing that the world sees is Israel as the big bad guy which they are NOT!
Or perhaps the reason they exist is because the choose to, because they are a real people, real humans with innate dignity and real rights.
 
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Or perhaps the reason they exist is because the choose to, because they are a real people, real humans with innate dignity and real rights.
The "Palestinians" have no rights as they are on our land which we govern with by our rules. They may be human but they are not a people.
 
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The "Palestinians" are so vile and evil I don't even have to "dehumanize" them at all as they do that to themselves.
And you claim authority to declare what is evil? And what is vile? And what is good? Dehumanization earns nothing. Hatred breeds only more hate.
 
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And you claim authority to declare what is evil? And what is vile? And what is good? Dehumanization earns nothing. Hatred breeds only more hate.
G-d claims authority to declare what is evil which He does in His Torah. The "Palestinians" are against the Torah as they are occupying and engaging in war with His chosen people in His chosen land therefore they are evil.
 
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G-d claims authority to declare what is evil which He does in His Torah. The "Palestinians" are against the Torah as they are occupying and engaging in war with His chosen people in His chosen land therefore they are evil.
And the 'chosen people' have not sinned? And their allies have not committed crimes against humanity? So they are pure, good and untainted by evil?
 
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Tanakh, what ever happened to 'love thy enemy'?

"Love thy enemy" goes against G-d's law for He states to hate our enemies and to destroy them.

Deuteronomy 7:9-10 'You must know that HASHEM, your G-d - He is G-d, the faithful G-d, Who safeguards the covenant and the kindness for those who love Him and for those who observe His commandments, for a thousand generations. And He repays His enemies in his lifetime to make him perish; He shall not delay for His enemy - in his lifetime He shall repay him.'

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 'But from the cities of these peoples that HASHEM, your G-d, gives you as an inheritance, you shall not allow any person to live. Rather you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivvite, and the Jebusite, as HASHEM, your G-d, has commanded you.'

Deuteronomy 7:17-24 'Perhaps you will say in your heart, "These nations are more numerous than I; how will I be able to drive them out?" Do not fear them! You shall remember what HASHEM, your G-d, did to Pharaoh and to all of Egypt. The great tests that your eyes saw, and the signs, the wonders, the strong hand, and the outstretched arm with which HASHEM, your G-d, took you out - so shall HASHEM, your G-d, do to all the peoples before whom you fear. Also the hornet-swarm will HASHEM, your G-d, send among them, until the survivors and hidden ones perish before you. You shall not be broken before them, for HASHEM, your G-d is among you, a great and awesome G-d. HASHEM, your G-d, will thrust these nations from before you little by little; you will not be able to annihilate them quickly, lest the beasts of the field increase against you. HASHEM, your G-d, will deliver them before you, and will confound them with great confusion, until their destruction. He will deliver their kings into your hand and you shall cause their name to perish from under the heaven; no man will stand up against you until you have destroyed them.'

We Jews do not love our enemies and will never show them mercy but will completely destroy them forever.
 
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"Love thy enemy" goes against G-d's law for He states to hate our enemies and to destroy them.

Deuteronomy 7:9-10 'You must know that HASHEM, your G-d - He is G-d, the faithful G-d, Who safeguards the covenant and the kindness for those who love Him and for those who observe His commandments, for a thousand generations. And He repays His enemies in his lifetime to make him perish; He shall not delay for His enemy - in his lifetime He shall repay him.'

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 'But from the cities of these peoples that HASHEM, your G-d, gives you as an inheritance, you shall not allow any person to live. Rather you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivvite, and the Jebusite, as HASHEM, your G-d, has commanded you.'

Deuteronomy 7:17-24 'Perhaps you will say in your heart, "These nations are more numerous than I; how will I be able to drive them out?" Do not fear them! You shall remember what HASHEM, your G-d, did to Pharaoh and to all of Egypt. The great tests that your eyes saw, and the signs, the wonders, the strong hand, and the outstretched arm with which HASHEM, your G-d, took you out - so shall HASHEM, your G-d, do to all the peoples before whom you fear. Also the hornet-swarm will HASHEM, your G-d, send among them, until the survivors and hidden ones perish before you. You shall not be broken before them, for HASHEM, your G-d is among you, a great and awesome G-d. HASHEM, your G-d, will thrust these nations from before you little by little; you will not be able to annihilate them quickly, lest the beasts of the field increase against you. HASHEM, your G-d, will deliver them before you, and will confound them with great confusion, until their destruction. He will deliver their kings into your hand and you shall cause their name to perish from under the heaven; no man will stand up against you until you have destroyed them.'

We Jews do not love our enemies and will never show them mercy but will completely destroy them forever.
Tanakh, you can not love God and hate your fellow human at the same time. If you show no mercy to others, how can you expect God to show mercy to you?
 
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