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seesaw,

It seems like you need help.

The Bible dosen't cover every little detail,but nothing in it has been found to be false or wrong(some things in it are slightly diffcult to understand)and it dosen't contradict itself.

Don't worry about islam,hinduism,buddhisim.
all of those religions are man-made.

For example-

Islam:

500 A.D.

Christanity was already out,here..........

Allah was one of various Gods mentioned by Muhammed and when he picked Allah the "Moon God" he forced people to worship him or be executed-the begining of Islam.

The 2nd biggest thestic religion major in much of Asia and Africa.

Buddhism

500 B.C.

Nice date but-
You sure can locate the grave of Prince Gauthama the founder of Buddhism.
Buddhism is only major in Asia!

Christanity:

Judisim

3500 B.C.-present

Israel was and still is and never be destroyed.
They fought Philistines,Egyptians,Arabs,some Europeans(I think)etc.....
They are economically and sociallly the best off Mid-eastern country.
And there are Jews all ovet the world(both Messianic and Orthodox)a good 2 million in the U.S.,millions in europe,etc.......

Christanity

33 B.C. present(if I have the exact date right)

Most of the top world world powers are judeo-christian:

U.S.
U.K.
Germany
France
Italy
Greece
Isreal(origin)
Poland
Russia
Spain
Portugal
Mexico
Brazil
The entire continents of North America,South America,Europe and Australia

As well as some of Africa and the mid/far eastorient

After the death of Juses of Nazareth most of Isreal did not accept him as the son of God and the King of the Jews.Yet Christianity has spread all over the world.

In 313 the Roman emperor Constantine I war ready to fight a battle in which he was outnurmbered so he decided to pray to Jesus Christ proposing to him that he he would win the battle he would accept him as his savior.

The battle was fought and HE WON!

Christanity began to domniate much of europe.

It was the Scandinavians and Spaniards who discovered America.
The italians and portuguese made and refined routes to much of asia and africa.


When the US and other North/South American ancestors came here from europe (and other places)they were sucessful in expanding their Judeo-Christian faith,as well as the other North/South american countries.

Christanity began to dominate the Americas.

The Dutch sucessfully discovered Australia,then the English took over

The English,Dutch and Germans sucessfully discoverd much of oceania.

The same goes for Antartica discovers by europeans/americans,nice rescearch land even know there isn't much there yet in this kind of sense ;)

It seems like the LORD wanted us to do this and win more souls for Christ!

God Bless You!
In Christ,
Hector
 
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HAHAHA, that is the funniest thing i have ever heard. I am the one that needs help. You are the one that believe that the flood that everything that is comepletely IMPOSSIBLE happened only cause it is in a book writen before real science was made. People back then thought the world was flat and we were the center of the universe, and when a flood happens if happens a croos the whole world.

And how would they know that they flood was around the world they didn't even know that the world had an other side. Sorry to tell you I am not the one that needs help. What has science found, World is round, we are not the center of the universe. So I would rather believe stuff that really gives facks and truth.

AHHAHAHAHA, sorry but christianity is also man made.

The same goes for Antartica discovers by europeans/americans,nice rescearch land even know there isn't much there yet in this kind of sense

It seems like the LORD wanted us to do this and win more souls for Christ!

You sound like a cult leader. I believe one day science will one day replace almost all religions, that might sound crazy but as people get smarter they will realize we don't need things like god. Have a nice day. :)
 
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Originally posted by LouisBooth
"AHHAHAHAHA, sorry but christianity is also man made."

I disagree :)


Hi LouisBooth, how are you. Heh you are always disagreeing with me :).
You might disagree but the bible is just like every other religious text nothing differen, they all say I am GOD and believe everything I say. And they all have stories to try to get people to believe the text. And when you die you will go somewhere. Even the egyptians thought they would go somewhere when they died. So the bible is just like all religious text Man-Made.
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
I believe one day science will one day replace almost all religions, that might sound crazy but as people get smarter they will realize we don't need things like god. Have a nice day. :)

Actually, it is just immature. People have been saying "science will replace religion" from the very beginning of science. But both are doing just fine.

People will always look to religion for answers and solutions that Science will never be able to resolve. No matter how much logic or reason they employ.

Einstein tells us: "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." Of course this is the same person who tells us that if he had his life to live over again, he would be a plumber.

As Einstein said: "Unless at least half my colleagues are dunces, there can be no conflict between science and religion." While he did not believe in or perhaps did not feel a need for a "personal" God. Religion was a driving force for him. In his book: "The world as I see it" he said of a true scientist:

"His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work, in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."

But for those who do want a "personal" relationship with God the invitation is always open: (Isaiah 1:18) "Come now, and let us reason together" or Isaiah 41:21a "Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons".  

   


 
 
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the problem is that science is kind of new only been around less than 1000 years, but religous texts have been around for 1000s of years. And as science becomes more advanced and solves more problems more and more people will understand that A GOD isn't the only answer that only can be as you said sovled by god. Thats what people said about the world being flat and then finding out its round.
 
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I agree with JohnR7 on this one. We, as humans, seemed destined to be spiritual creatures.

If science has taught us anything, it's that there's always new and wonderful stuff to discover. We may very well never learn everything about our universe (and we'll probably be long extinct before we ever have the chance).

While I don't much like the idea of people simply inserting religion into areas science has not explained (that just seems too convenient), I believe that we will never see the demise of religious beliefs.
 
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While I don't much like the idea of people simply inserting religion into areas science has not explained, I believe that we will never see the demise of religious beliefs.

I agree that there will always be religious beliefs but I thinkThat science will one day be accepted by everyone and not dismissed just because the evidence doens't match what the bible says.

If that makes anysence sorry if it doens't. :)
 
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Hey Praxiteles,

I should have replied to your previous posts.
For ignoring you,I apologize.

I am not a gimmick I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU.

What qustions do you have for me???

Please give me a chance,

Hector
 
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Evidence for the flood.

This info is from www.answersingenesis.org and www.drdino.com

Points to Ponder About the Flood



2 Pet. 3:3-8 tells us that people who scoff at the Bible are "willingly ignorant" of the Creation and the Flood. In order to understand science and the Bible, we must not be ignorant of those two great events in Earth’s history. See Creation Seminar tape 2 for more information.


Over 250 Flood legends from all parts of the world have been found. Most have similarities to the Genesis story.

Noah’s ark was built only to float, not to sail anywhere. Many ark scholars believe that the ark was a "barge" shape, not a pointed "boat" shape. This would greatly increase the cargo capacity. Scoffers have pointed out that the largest sailing ships were less than 300 feet because of the problem of twisting and flexing the boat. These ships had giant masts on them and sails to catch the wind. Noah's ark need neither of those and therefore had far less torsional stress.

Even using the small 18-inch cubit (my height is 6-ft. 1-in. and I have a 21-in. cubit) the ark was large enough to hold all the required animals, people, and food with room to spare.

The length-to-width ratio of 6 to 1 is what shipbuilders today often use. This is the best ratio for stability in stormy weather. (God thinks of everything!)

The ark may have had a "moon-pool" in the center. The larger ships would have a hole in the center of the bottom of the boat with walls extending up into the ship. There are several reasons for this feature:
It allowed water to go up into the hole as the ship crested waves. This would be needed to relieve strain on longer ships.
The rising and lowering water acted as a piston to pump fresh air in and out of the ship. This would prevent the buildup of dangerous gasses from all the animals on board.
The hole was a great place to dump garbage into the ocean without going outside.

The ark may have had large drogue (anchor) stones suspended over the sides to keep it more stable in rough weather. Many of these stones have been found in the region where the ark landed.

Noah lived 950 years! Many Bible scholars believe the pre-Flood people were much larger than modern man. Skeletons over 11 feet tall have been found! If Noah were taller, his cubit (elbow to fingertip) would have been much larger also. This would make the ark larger by the same ratio. See Seminar tape #2 for more info on this.

God told Noah to bring two of each kind (seven of some), not of each species or variety. Noah had only two of the dog kind which would include the wolves, coyotes, foxes, mutts, etc. The "kind" grouping is probably closer to our modern family division in taxonomy, and would greatly reduce the number of animals on the ark. Animals have diversified into many varieties in the last 4400 years since the Flood. This diversification is not anything similar to great claims that the evolutionists teach. (They teach that "kelp can turn into Kent," given enough time!)

Noah did not have to get the animals. God brought them to him (Gen. 6:20, "shall come to thee").

Only land-dwelling, air-breathing animals had to be included on the ark (Gen. 7:15, "in which is the breath of life," 7:22). Noah did not need to bring all the thousands of insects varieties.

Many animals sleep, hibernate, or become very inactive during bad weather.

All animals (and people) were vegetarians before and during the Flood according to Gen. 1:20-30 with Gen. 9:3.

The pre-Flood people were probably much smarter and more advanced than people today. The longer lifespans, Adam’s direct contact with God, and the fact that they could glean the wisdom of many generations that were still alive would greatly expand their knowledge base.

The Bible says that the highest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water. This is half the height of the ark. The ark was safe from scraping bottom at all times.

The large mountains, as we have them today, did not exist until after the Flood when "the mountains arose and the valleys sank down" (Ps. 104:5-9, Gen. 8:3-8).

There is enough water in the oceans right now to cover the earth 8,000 feet deep if the surface of the earth were smooth.

Many claim to have seen the ark in recent times in the area in which the Bible says it landed. There are two primary schools of thought about the actual site of the ark (see my Creation Seminar Part 3 video for more on this). Much energy and time has been expended to prove both views. Some believe the ark is on Mt. Ararat, covered by snow (CBS showed a one-hour special in 1993 about this site). The other group believes the ark is seventeen miles south of Mt. Ararat in a valley called "the valley of eight" (8 souls on the ark). The Bible says the ark landed in the "mountains" of Ararat, not necessarily on the mountain itself.

The continents were not separated until 100-300 years after the Flood (Gen. 10:25). The people and animals had time to migrate anywhere on earth by then. See Seminar Part 6 for more information.

The top 3,000 feet of Mt. Everest (from 26,000-29,000 feet) is made up of sedimentary rock packed with seashells and other ocean-dwelling animals.

Sedimentary rock is found all over the world. Sedimentary rock is formed in water.

Petrified clams in the closed position (found all over the world) testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive, even on top of Mount Everest.

Bent rock layers, fossil graveyards, and poly-strata fossils are best explained by a Flood.

People choose to not believe in the Flood because it speaks of the judgment of God on sin (2 Pet. 3:3-8).
 
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Originally posted by Hector Medina
Evidence for the flood.

This info is from www.answersingenesis.org and www.drdino.com

Points to Ponder About the Flood



2 Pet. 3:3-8 tells us that people who scoff at the Bible are "willingly ignorant" of the Creation and the Flood. In order to understand science and the Bible, we must not be ignorant of those two great events in Earth’s history. See Creation Seminar tape 2 for more information.


Over 250 Flood legends from all parts of the world have been found. Most have similarities to the Genesis story.

Noah’s ark was built only to float, not to sail anywhere. Many ark scholars believe that the ark was a "barge" shape, not a pointed "boat" shape. This would greatly increase the cargo capacity. Scoffers have pointed out that the largest sailing ships were less than 300 feet because of the problem of twisting and flexing the boat. These ships had giant masts on them and sails to catch the wind. Noah's ark need neither of those and therefore had far less torsional stress.

Even using the small 18-inch cubit (my height is 6-ft. 1-in. and I have a 21-in. cubit) the ark was large enough to hold all the required animals, people, and food with room to spare.

The length-to-width ratio of 6 to 1 is what shipbuilders today often use. This is the best ratio for stability in stormy weather. (God thinks of everything!)

The ark may have had a "moon-pool" in the center. The larger ships would have a hole in the center of the bottom of the boat with walls extending up into the ship. There are several reasons for this feature:
It allowed water to go up into the hole as the ship crested waves. This would be needed to relieve strain on longer ships.
The rising and lowering water acted as a piston to pump fresh air in and out of the ship. This would prevent the buildup of dangerous gasses from all the animals on board.
The hole was a great place to dump garbage into the ocean without going outside.

The ark may have had large drogue (anchor) stones suspended over the sides to keep it more stable in rough weather. Many of these stones have been found in the region where the ark landed.

Noah lived 950 years! Many Bible scholars believe the pre-Flood people were much larger than modern man. Skeletons over 11 feet tall have been found! If Noah were taller, his cubit (elbow to fingertip) would have been much larger also. This would make the ark larger by the same ratio. See Seminar tape #2 for more info on this.

God told Noah to bring two of each kind (seven of some), not of each species or variety. Noah had only two of the dog kind which would include the wolves, coyotes, foxes, mutts, etc. The "kind" grouping is probably closer to our modern family division in taxonomy, and would greatly reduce the number of animals on the ark. Animals have diversified into many varieties in the last 4400 years since the Flood. This diversification is not anything similar to great claims that the evolutionists teach. (They teach that "kelp can turn into Kent," given enough time!)

Noah did not have to get the animals. God brought them to him (Gen. 6:20, "shall come to thee").

Only land-dwelling, air-breathing animals had to be included on the ark (Gen. 7:15, "in which is the breath of life," 7:22). Noah did not need to bring all the thousands of insects varieties.

Many animals sleep, hibernate, or become very inactive during bad weather.

All animals (and people) were vegetarians before and during the Flood according to Gen. 1:20-30 with Gen. 9:3.

The pre-Flood people were probably much smarter and more advanced than people today. The longer lifespans, Adam’s direct contact with God, and the fact that they could glean the wisdom of many generations that were still alive would greatly expand their knowledge base.

The Bible says that the highest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water. This is half the height of the ark. The ark was safe from scraping bottom at all times.

The large mountains, as we have them today, did not exist until after the Flood when "the mountains arose and the valleys sank down" (Ps. 104:5-9, Gen. 8:3-8).

There is enough water in the oceans right now to cover the earth 8,000 feet deep if the surface of the earth were smooth.

Many claim to have seen the ark in recent times in the area in which the Bible says it landed. There are two primary schools of thought about the actual site of the ark (see my Creation Seminar Part 3 video for more on this). Much energy and time has been expended to prove both views. Some believe the ark is on Mt. Ararat, covered by snow (CBS showed a one-hour special in 1993 about this site). The other group believes the ark is seventeen miles south of Mt. Ararat in a valley called "the valley of eight" (8 souls on the ark). The Bible says the ark landed in the "mountains" of Ararat, not necessarily on the mountain itself.

The continents were not separated until 100-300 years after the Flood (Gen. 10:25). The people and animals had time to migrate anywhere on earth by then. See Seminar Part 6 for more information.

The top 3,000 feet of Mt. Everest (from 26,000-29,000 feet) is made up of sedimentary rock packed with seashells and other ocean-dwelling animals.

Sedimentary rock is found all over the world. Sedimentary rock is formed in water.

Petrified clams in the closed position (found all over the world) testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive, even on top of Mount Everest.

Bent rock layers, fossil graveyards, and poly-strata fossils are best explained by a Flood.

People choose to not believe in the Flood because it speaks of the judgment of God on sin (2 Pet. 3:3-8).

Hector, sorry but your links are not credible.
 
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