Who are the 12 Tribes of Isreal?

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Frank,

Who died and appointed you judge?? Where did you get your plastic throne??

 

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Originally posted by Frank
that's a nice non sequitur -- good way out of addressing the real issue

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Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
What part of the Bible do you believe?

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Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Frank,
You don't believe that Christ will reign on the earth for a literal 1000 years. So therefore, you are not placing your faith in what God said, but rather you are placing your faith in whatever you change His words to.

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Originally posted by Frank
Where does the Bible say that Christ will reign on planet earth for 1,000 literal years?  Give me a biblical reference please...

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Originally posted by 4jc
I have much debate going on in my nogin about this. I don't have a bible in front of me, but I keep having this debate about the 12 tribes of Isreal. It says in the bible that only 144,000 people were going to heaven, right. Like I said, I don't have a bible in front of me so I can't quote the scripture I am trying to describe.
Are we part of the twelve tribes of Isreal? Cause it also says anyone believes in Jesus, that He died for us, and we ask for our sins to be forgiven, we are called sons of God. Which means we are going to heaven.
What I don't understand is the part of the 12 tribes of Isreal. Can anyone enlighten me on this topic? I would really appreciate it. I don't know where to get info on this topic, as I would like to study it.
Thanks.



Eph replies...

The "direct" descendants of who the "10 lost tribes" are...??

They are the Celtic peoples of the world...thats not to say that others can't enter in...but as far as "blood lines" go...It's the CELT'S who are the 10 lost tribes people...!

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Originally posted by ladylove
The twelve tribes of Israel are just what it says, they are Jews. Since the records of lineage were destroyed, we as humans do not know which Jews belong to which tribe, but God does. That is all that matters. Best wishes.

Eph writes...

This is an incorrect statement...!

ALL Jews are HEBREWS...but not all HEBREWS are Jews...!

For example...all TEXANS are "Americans"...but not all AMERICANS are Texans...!

The so called "10 lost tribes"...are important beacuse they show up again in REV days..ONLY 12,000 of these people are JEWS..." Judah " only has 12,000 in the list..not ALL of the peoples are going to be JEWS...just like all American's aren't Texans...!

Many people today mistake the word JEW and ISRAELITE...to be SYNONYMS...Words that mean the same thing..that comes from errors and reading into scripture things that aren't there...!

From a Scriptural Biblical point of view...JEW..HEBREW...ISRAELITE aren't the same thing..!...

All Jews are Israelites...Not all Israelites are Jews...All Jews are Hebrews...but not all Hebrews are Jews..!

Hope that helps...!

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Originally posted by EPHRIAM777

All Jews are Israelites...Not all Israelites are Jews...All Jews are Hebrews...but not all Hebrews are Jews..!

Hope that helps...!

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Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
ANY person who claims to have been "born" a Jew..would have to be of Hebrew stock...!

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Their... "genetic's....... would be traced back to their father Jacob..who was the father of the 12 sons who became known as the 12 tribes of Israel..( Jacob's name after it was changed )..who would be traced to Isaac...and then back to Abe...!

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....Was that some kind of silly trick question you threw at me...?



.....I don't think you tricked me with it at all...!

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Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
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Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
ANY person who claims to have been "born" a Jew..would have to be of Hebrew stock...!

Dazed asks...
Please explain how this can be verified.

Eph replies...

Sure...from the Biblical record...on this very subject..( I provided the verses but I see you didn't read them yet...!

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quote:
Their... "genetic's....... would be traced back to their father Jacob..who was the father of the 12 sons who became known as the 12 tribes of Israel..( Jacob's name after it was changed )..who would be traced to Isaac...and then back to Abe...!

Dazed asks...
Please explain how this is done.

Eph says...!

No problem...ANY person who adhered to the LAW..was considered as a HOME BORN...Any person who already IS a Jew...would be from that Hebrew stock already...! Since a mixed multitude left out of Egypt..the gene pool of Hebrews...would and could be quite stretched today..!

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Originally posted by EPHRIAM777

Your inability to grasp what I'm saying and lack of solid study on this subject is a hinderance I'm willing to overlook as long as YOU remain civil in your postings..! IF you feel the need to attack.. I'm not willing to play along with you...!

When and if you want to learn more..just ask away...but remain polite please...!

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Originally posted by LastDazed
As polite as I can, I must assert it is your inability to grasp the truth of the matter concerning "Hebrew Stock" today reflects your lack of solid study on the matter.

The Encyclopedia Brittanica (1973)
"The Jews As A Race: The findings of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is no Jewish race. Anthroinappropriate contentetric measurements of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics." (vol. 12, page 1054)

Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem (1971)
"It is a common assumption, and one that sometimes seems ineradicable even in the face of evidence to the contrary, that the Jews of today constitute a race, a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. From the preceding discussion of the origin and early history of the Jews, it should be clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion to Judaism of a considerable number of communities. . . ."

"Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That many cannot be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is extended to all - a not uncommon phenomenon" (Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50).

Encyclopedia Americana (1986)
"Racial and Ethnic Considerations. Some theorists have considered the Jews a distinct race, although this has no factual basis. In every country in which the Jews lived for a considerable time, their physical traits came to approximate those of the indigenous people. Hence the Jews belong to several distinct racial types, ranging, for example, from fair to dark. Among the reasons for this phenomenon are voluntary or involuntary miscegenation and the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism" (Encyclopedia Americana, 1986, vol. 16, p. 71).

Collier's Encyclopedia (1977)
"A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the Jews as a 'race! This is scientifically fallacious, from the standpoint of both physical and historical tradition. Investigations by anthropologists have shown that Jews are by no means uniform in physical character and that they nearly always reflect the physical and mental characteristics of the people among whom they live" (Collier's Encyclopedia, 1977, vol. 13, p. 573).

Today, being a Jew simply means that one is of the Judaistic religion or a convert to it, or else in a "brotherhood" of those who are. Therefore, being a Jew has nothing to do with race. We are familiar with a number of notable figures, such as Sammy Davis, Jr., Elizabeth Taylor, and Tom Arnold, in fact, who became Jews by conversion to the religion of Judaism.

John Bray said, "Many Christians do not know that the vast majority of so-called Jews in the world today are the Ashkenazim Jews, while the remainder of them are the Sephardim Jews. The Ashkenazim Jews have as their background not the nation of Israel but a country called Khazaria, which country at one time was the largest country in Europe. The settlers of Khazaria were Turks and Huns. In A.D. 740 King Bulan of Khazaria decided to adopt the Judaistic religion for his country. A number of Jews were already living there. So he converted to Judaism, along with all his officials, and whole nation ended up being known as a nation of Jews. In 970 Russia came in and dominated the situation, and the Khazars were scattered, many of them going down into Poland and Lithuania. Where at the dawn of our modern civilization the largest concentration of Jews were found. Today, the largest percentage of so-called Jews in the world have as their background this group of people." (This information is fully documented in detail in John Bray's book, Israel in Bible Prophecy)

Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia (1970)
"In 1970 the Israeli Knesset adopted legislation defining a Jew as one born of a Jewish mother or a convert." (vol. 14, p. 214)

H.G. Wells
"There can be little doubt that the scattered Phoenicians in Spain and Africa and throughout the Mediterranean, speaking as they did a language closely akin to Hebrew and being deprived of their authentic political rights, became proselytes to Judaism. For phases of vigorous proselytism alternated with phases of exclusive jealousy in Jewish history. On one occasion the Idumeans, being conquered, were all forcibly made Jews. There were Arab tribes who were Jews in the time of Muhammad, and a Turkish people who were mainly Jews in South Russia in the ninth century. Judaism is indeed the reconstructed political ideal of many shattered peoples - mainly Semitic.... The main part of Jewry NEVER was in Judea and had never come out of Judea" (The Outline of History, p. 505).

Therefore, we can clearly and confidently assert that there is no such thing as a Jewish race today, nor ever can there be.

These facts are devastating to Dispensationalism. Obviously, if the nation that they call the heir of Israel is shown to have no relationship to the pre-desolation nation, there is no credibility to that system. There are no twelve tribes today, there is no Jewish race today.

In Christ,

LD


Eph writes...

I'd clap for this post...but it's not in your own words...It is copy of others "commentary"...on what THEY think...!

Why do you place them SO high above what the BIBLE says...on this matter..??

How did they attain this lofty position in your mind..??

Did they wear nice suits..and shoes..??

SELAH...( pause for a moment and think of that )..

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