Matthew 15:24 KJV

I don't get your question. The answer is obvious, IMO. How is that contradictory to anything else He said?

Originally posted by itinerant
In this verse, Jesus states, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." In the Revised Standard Version it is written as, " He answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'"

What does this mean? Why is he saying he was only sent for Jews? I'm confused by this verse, it seems to contradict everything else he said!

Click to expand...

Actually, itinerant, it supports the rest of the Bible.  First off, you must understand, "the house of Israel" is not the Jews.  It is God's chosen people, His elect, Christians.  This verse is merely stating that God did not send His Son into the world to die for the world as a whole, but rather, to die for the world of believers that God elected before the foundations of the earth.  All Christ is saying is that He was only sent to die for those whom God had sovereignly selected for salvation.

God bless

Originally posted by itinerant
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, the house of Israel never included the Gentiles did it?  The house of Israel only included the decendants of Abraham right?

Click to expand...

The house of Israel, as I said, are God's elect, which are Abrahams decendants.

A Gentile is a heathen who does not believe in God.  Are you still unsure if you are a Gentile?

God bless

Originally posted by itinerant
So does this mean that if you are not a decendant of Abraham, you cannot be saved? Or you are at least less than a Jew?

Click to expand...

No.  This means that if you are saved you are a descendant of the "father of many nations," Abraham.  This is an issue of the Jews being the chosen people of God.  If you are saved you become a Jew in the sense that you become one of God's chosen.  Jew and Gentile are not referring to the Jewish faith and those who are not the Jewish faith.  It is referring to God's chosen and those who aren't God's chosen, the elect, and the non-elect.

God bless

interant, first off, universal salvation is not Biblical (in that all though Christ died for those of all nations, tribes, and tongues; He did not die for every person who has ever lived) Christ died for the descendents of Abraham, i.e. the elect of God. The descendents of Abraham are not all PHYSICAL Jews. They are SPIRITUAL Jews...those grafted into the olive tree of Israel. -

"But it is not that the Word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." That is, those who are the children of the flesh are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed." - Romans 9:6-8

If you are of God's chosen....placed in Christ....then you are of Israel.

Soli Deo gloria!

Your very confused through this scripture... Look, Israelites are what God's chosen people are, they come out of the 12 tribes of Israel, but a gentile who follows God's law, seeks his truth, obeys his commandments and appointed seasons is no longer a gentile but an Israelite. God doesnt not allow someone whos seeking his truth and knowledge not to be a son of God because he came from some other family, you become an israelite. A chosen. The actual number of chosen people on earth today is so few compared to what everyone else thinks. All throughout the Bible you will read how limited the number is. And you will see that 12,000 come out of each of the 12 tribes of Israel in revelation. 12,000... 144,000 ... give or take.

thousands fall to your left, thousands to your right, but you stand strong.

wide and braud is the road that leads to death, but narrow and hard is the road that leads to everlasting life.

Anyone who seeks God's truth is no longer a gentile in his eyes, but an israelite. I will pull up the scriptures if you need them.

Good day,
Jere

itinerant,

regarding your question.....

To the Jews, Gentiles were dogs -- outcasts -- becos they did not worhsip the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and becos of their hedonistic lifestyle, idol worship etc.(But actually, the word in Mark 7:27 is less harsh and means puppy rather than dog.)

Basically, the time for preaching to the Gentiles had not yet come (it came with Paul commissioned by the risen Lord to preach to the Gentiles). In Bible principle, its always Jew first than Gentile. eg in spreading the Gospel, even in giving/offering. that's why NCC believes in offerings to Messianic (Christian) Jews if we want to hasten the spread of the Gospel worldwide.

The bread refers to the Word or actually healing/deliverance (eg when we take communion the bread is for our health). So Jesus was telling her (I believe he was testing her faith) that it was not time for him to minister to a Gentile Greek woman like her yet. The children's (Jews) bread (Gospel, healing etc) should be given to them (Jews) first then followed by Gentiles.

But she reached out in faith and took her rightful 'place' as "dog"/gentile (And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.)

You see, she came to Jesus 'as Jew', Jesus corrected her, she took her rightful place as Gentile, then Jesus cld reach out and deliver her daughter.
Sometimes we need to take 'our place' and stop trying to be somebody we're not, b4 God can reach out. eg Lord I can't do anything to earn healing, i just receive by faith thru grace.

That's the jist of it from my pastor

Originally posted by Andrew
itinerant,

regarding your question.....

To the Jews, Gentiles were dogs -- outcasts -- becos they did not worhsip the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and becos of their hedonistic lifestyle, idol worship etc.(But actually, the word in Mark 7:27 is less harsh and means puppy rather than dog.)

Basically, the time for preaching to the Gentiles had not yet come (it came with Paul commissioned by the risen Lord to preach to the Gentiles). In Bible principle, its always Jew first than Gentile. eg in spreading the Gospel, even in giving/offering. that's why NCC believes in offerings to Messianic (Christian) Jews if we want to hasten the spread of the Gospel worldwide.

The bread refers to the Word or actually healing/deliverance (eg when we take communion the bread is for our health). So Jesus was telling her (I believe he was testing her faith) that it was not time for him to minister to a Gentile Greek woman like her yet. The children's (Jews) bread (Gospel, healing etc) should be given to them (Jews) first then followed by Gentiles.

But she reached out in faith and took her rightful 'place' as "dog"/gentile (And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.)

You see, she came to Jesus 'as Jew', Jesus corrected her, she took her rightful place as Gentile, then Jesus cld reach out and deliver her daughter.
Sometimes we need to take 'our place' and stop trying to be somebody we're not, b4 God can reach out. eg Lord I can't do anything to earn healing, i just receive by faith thru grace.

That's the jist of it from my pastor

Click to expand...

 

. . .and this is exactly what I would have written if I could have put it in as good a' words as you did Andrew. 

As usual, Good Job! 

Excellent reply Andrew.

This is not so deep as some are making it. As Andrew stated, it was simply not the time for the gospel to be preached to the Gentiles yet. God's chosen people, the nation of Israel, were given first crack at the gospel and as Paul stated later in his epistles, it was through the unbelief of the Jews that we received the Gospel. When Israel turned their backs on their Messiah it opened the way for all men to come into a familial relationship with God by adoption into the line of Abraham.

Read Romans chapter 11. It sums all this up very nicely.

thank you for your positive comments Quaffer and tericl2 bless God I have a good teacher.