Why was the Universe created?

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What are your views on how Everything came to be?

Do you think Matter and Space have always existed? Or did one come before the Other? Or were they both created at the same time?

Was anything "before" the Universe? Will anything be "after" it? Or do you see it as infinite?

Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?

And if you believe a higher power created the universe, Why do you think it chose to do so? I'm not as interested in How the creation was accomplished, but Why...what motivated the deity to make the cosmos and the laws (or lack thereof) that govern it? (And of course, how did the Deity you believe in come to exist?)


It's a lot of questions, but this Topic fascinates me..:)
 

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Why? Now that is a good question, a very good question. Let's see what the Principia Discordia says:
1. Before the beginning was the Nonexistent Chao, balanced in Oblivion by the Perfect
Counterpushpull of the Hodge and the Podge.
2. Whereupon, by an Act of Happenstance, the Hodge began gradually to overpower the
Podge - - and the Primal Chaos thereby came to be.
3. So in the beginning was the Primal Chaos, balanced on the Edge of Oblivion by the
Perfect Counterpullpush of the Podge and the Hodge.
4. Whereupon, by the Law of Negative Reversal, ** the Podge swiftly underpowered the
Hodge and Everything broke loose.
5. And therein emerged the Active Force of Discord, the Subtle Manifestation of the
Nonexistent Chao, to guide Everything along the Path back to Oblivion - that it might not
become lost among Precepts of Order in the Region of Thud.
6. Forasmuch as it was Active, the Force of Discord entered the State of Confusion,
wherein It copulated with the Queen and begat ERIS, Our Lady of Discord and Gross
Manifestation of the Nonexistent Chao.
7. And under Eris Confusion became established, and was hence called Bureaucracy;
while over Bureaucracy Eris became established, and was hence called Discordia.
8. By the by it came to pass that the Establishment of Bureaucracy perished in a paper
shortage.
9. Thus it was, in accord with the Law of Laws.
10. During and after the Fall of the Establishment of Bureaucracy was the Aftermath, an
Age of Disorder, in which calculation, computations, and reckonings were put away by
the Children of Eris in Acceptance and Preparation for Return to Oblivion to be followed
by a Repetition of the Universal Absurdity. Moreover, of Itself the Coming of Aftermath
waseth a Resurrection of the Freedom-flowing Chaos. HAIL ERIS!
11. Herein was set into motion the Eristic pattern, which would Repeat Itself Five Times
Over Seventy-three Times, after which nothing would happen.
Well, that was pointless. So I would say that I don't know.

As for how the universe was created, the big bang seems to be the best model we have to date.
 
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What are your views on how Everything came to be?

Do you think Matter and Space have always existed? Or did one come before the Other? Or were they both created at the same time?

Was anything "before" the Universe? Will anything be "after" it? Or do you see it as infinite?

Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?

And if you believe a higher power created the universe, Why do you think it chose to do so? I'm not as interested in How the creation was accomplished, but Why...what motivated the deity to make the cosmos and the laws (or lack thereof) that govern it? (And of course, how did the Deity you believe in come to exist?)


It's a lot of questions, but this Topic fascinates me..:)

That is a big question, but something that the catholic church can answer. I recommend that you pass by the OBOB area and ask the same question there.

In this section/area diferent faiths are going to give you diferent answers and I think you should at least listen to what the catholic church as to say about it.

In fact I have a video that i could sent you that talks about that specific topic, i will try to upload it when i can.

I would also recommend you check out the following site
http://www.peterkreeft.com/
and listen to some of his stuff.
 
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What are your views on how Everything came to be?

Everything came to be because God wants to be loved, so from him emitted Individual Souls who takes up various forms and manifestation with unlimited independence and shower love and service unto him in the Spiritual Universe. Not in this Material Universe.

Do you think Matter and Space have always existed? Or did one come before the Other? Or were they both created at the same time?

No Matter and Space are temporary, they are the creation of the Lord's material energy. There is something which is non-material that exist beyond space and matter.

Was anything "before" the Universe? Will anything be "after" it? Or do you see it as infinite?

Yes there is this place call the Spiritual Universe, within that, there are unlimited amount of Vaikunata planets(Spiritual planets). The material atmosphere which came later on consists of millions of material universes and we are in just in one of those millions of universes.

Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?

Just imagine a frog living its whole life in the well and describing the ocean from within the well, similarly the Scientist are just frogs who assume this and assume that.

And if you believe a higher power created the universe, Why do you think it chose to do so? I'm not as interested in How the creation was accomplished, but Why...what motivated the deity to make the cosmos and the laws (or lack thereof) that govern it? (And of course, how did the Deity you believe in come to exist?)

Just imagine a Government who wants to build a place, it always reserved a place to build a prision because there would be those people who would always do otherwise, that is why a Prison is necessary to teach and correct them, so similary due to our misuse of independence we fall into the Material Universe which is like a Prison. This universe is a place for us to learn, experience and know that it is a place of misery. this place is not for enjoyment, if it is so we would be entangled here.

Why did the Souls falls from the spiritual plane ?? We are like little Gods trying to dominate each other, we want to enjoy by ourself and lord over nature without God, since we have unlimited independence to think for ourself we may think otherwise. So because of independence, sometimes we become a fool, independence means we can do whatever we want, So like this many of us fall into the Prison(Material Universe) hence the Material Universe is created for our enjoyment and we can lord over nature, so on many times we little gods fight one another because we are trying to lead each other, that is the diffculty. The moment you realise that you don't belong here and question about your existence, than you are known as a Human-being, if not we are no better than the animals just trying to enjoy our senses.

The Laws of Material nature(Goodness Passion and ignorance) are govern by 3 principle deities, Vishnu(goodness),Brahma(Passion) and Shiva(ignorance). The Law of Karma is another working energy which gives us a suitable body based on our own actions within this universe. The Goddess Durga(Kali) is the Material energy, she gives misery, destructions to all the living enities so that at least some would reform. These are all the agents of the lord who perform all these to serve him and yet the Lord himself controls everthing but remains aloof. We are born into enjoyment and suffering due to our own actions and has nothing to do with the Lord. The Lord remains aloof and yet controls everything indirectly, that is the power of the Almighty. He is too great.


Hare Krishna,
Based on the Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam(Bhagavat Purana)(Vedic(Hindu) Scriptures)
 
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Just imagine a frog living its whole life in the well and describing the ocean from within the well, similarly the Scientist are just frogs who assume this and assume that.

*ribbit* *ribbit*
It is true that scientist assume that the supernatural isn't going to affect the world (or at least affect it consistently). But it does get results.
*hopes away to ribbit some more*
 
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According to Seth Lloyd the universe has been storing information and processes from the beginning.

See the following:

http://www.technologyreview.com/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=17091

In my view this was anticpated by Abdul-Baha when he spoke about the origins of the universe in 1912:

This composition and arrangement, through the wisdom of God and His preexistent might, were produced from one natural organization, which was composed and combined with the greatest strength, conformable to wisdom, and according to a universal law. From this it is evident that it is the creation of God, and is not a fortuitous composition and arrangement.
 
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What are your views on how Everything came to be?
Big Bang model seems like a good explanation. I know that it's not a perfect explanation though.

Do you think Matter and Space have always existed? Or did one come before the Other? Or were they both created at the same time?
I believe that space existed first, then energy, then matter. Energy and matter are really the same thing in different form.

Was anything "before" the Universe? Will anything be "after" it? Or do you see it as infinite?
I don't think that there is any way for us to ever know. I think that String theory is fascinating, but I can barely understand it. Theoretical physics is such a tough subject.

Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?
Already answered.
And if you believe a higher power created the universe, Why do you think it chose to do so? I'm not as interested in How the creation was accomplished, but Why...what motivated the deity to make the cosmos and the laws (or lack thereof) that govern it? (And of course, how did the Deity you believe in come to exist?)
I believe in Ditheism this week. :p I believe in ERIS/ANERIS (CHAOS/ORDER) but I don't believe that there is an intelligence attached to them (if that makes any sense). I don't think that the universe truly has a purpose because purpose is a subjective thing that doesn't exist outside of the mind.
It's a lot of questions, but this Topic fascinates me..
I love this topic too. I hope this thread keeps going for awhile. :thumbsup:
 
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Do you think Matter and Space have always existed?

More or less. I think that while there might have been a beginning to change/time, there has always been a realm of physical existence. Whether or not this existence has always had Matter and Space as we understand them is another issue.

Was anything "before" the Universe?

This question is meaningless to me. The context of the concept "before" is the Universe.

To put it another way, I don't see the universe as existing in an ocean of time. Rather, time (i.e. change) is something the universe does. It is a property of the universe itself. It makes no sense to ask what came "before" the universe, IMV.

Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?

As the leading scientific model of the history of the universe. I'm quite open to alternative theories with testable predictions backed by evidence.


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Here are my thoughts.

Big Bang, is a ridiculous theory. There is not only no proof but there is substantial proof against it. Laws of physics are against it. For example, when two objects move towards each other and collide they spin in the same direction after colliding. If two matters randomly collided creating the universe and its galaxies how then could there be a galaxy spinning the other direction. Also, since when does an explosion create something, when something explodes it breaks into tiny pieces it does not form a complex universe. (Also where did the matter that ran into each other come from. It all points to an intelligent designer.)

Anyway I believe that God created the whole universe and everything in it. I believe that God is all powerful and all knowing.
I believe that God has always existed and that we cannot understand this because we live in time and he lives outside of it.

The purpose of the universe is to glorify God.

I know this is a Christian view point in a non-Christian religion board but it is just what I believe. I do not expect anyone change their minds over my post. but I love talking about this and learning about others viewpoints. I have much more to say, if anyone wants too talk PM me I am glad to answer any arguements or questions.
 
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In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

067.001
YUSUFALI: Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power;-
PICKTHAL: Blessed is He in Whose hand is the Sovereignty, and, He is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things,

067.002
YUSUFALI: He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-
PICKTHAL: Who hath created life and death that He may try you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,
SHAKIR: Who created death and life that He may try you-- which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,

067.003
YUSUFALI: He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?
PICKTHAL: Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts?
SHAKIR: Who created the seven heavens one above another; you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah; then look again, can you see any disorder?

067.004
YUSUFALI: Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.
PICKTHAL: Then look again and yet again, thy sight will return unto thee weakened and made dim.
SHAKIR: Then turn back the eye again and again; your look shall '~ come back to you confused while it is fatigued.
 
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If two matters randomly collided creating the universe and its galaxies how then could there be a galaxy spinning the other direction.

The Big Bang theory has nothing to do with two material objects colliding to create the universe.

Also, since when does an explosion create something, when something explodes it breaks into tiny pieces it does not form a complex universe.

The Big Bang theory is not about an explosion, but about an expansion of spacetime.


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What are your views on how Everything came to be?

Do you think Matter and Space have always existed? Or did one come before the Other? Or were they both created at the same time?

Was anything "before" the Universe? Will anything be "after" it? Or do you see it as infinite?

Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?

And if you believe a higher power created the universe, Why do you think it chose to do so? I'm not as interested in How the creation was accomplished, but Why...what motivated the deity to make the cosmos and the laws (or lack thereof) that govern it? (And of course, how did the Deity you believe in come to exist?)


It's a lot of questions, but this Topic fascinates me..:)

The laws that govern the universe are not totaly understood by humans and infinity cannot totally be comprehended by the human mind either.

But the deity Yahweh is infinite and therefore always existed.

He created everything we can percieve as existence with our limited minds.

He created it for his prupose and we are simply the most important part of that purpose.

I am only speculating but I believe after we recieve our imortal bodies we will be commissioned by Yahweh to go to other galaxies and repeat the process he started in our galaxy.

The big bang as we understand it probably happened but more recently and much more quickly.
 
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I believe in Ditheism this week. :p I believe in ERIS/ANERIS (CHAOS/ORDER) but I don't believe that there is an intelligence attached to them (if that makes any sense). I don't think that the universe truly has a purpose because purpose is a subjective thing that doesn't exist outside of the mind.
This week? Do you like messing with our minds? (OK, so I already know the answer to this one)
But the purposeless point is good.

I love this topic too. I hope this thread keeps going for awhile. :thumbsup:
I hope you don't mind me coming in here for some color commentary then.:cool:
 
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This week? Do you like messing with our minds? (OK, so I already know the answer to this one)
You should look into both Paradigm Piracy and Chaos Magic. Very interesting stuff. :thumbsup:
But the purposeless point is good.
Here we are, trapped in the amber of the moment. There is no why. - Kurt Vonnegut

I hope you don't mind me coming in here for some color commentary then.:cool:
The more the merrier.
 
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You should look into both Paradigm Piracy and Chaos Magic. Very interesting stuff. :thumbsup:
I was quite aware of chaos magic. I understood the concept to paradigm piracy, but didn't know the term beforehand. I've quoted this line before, and I am likely to quote it again.
Principia Discordia said:
It is my firm belief [SIZE=-1] that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs
One of the more significant lines in my opinion.
[/SIZE]
The more the merrier.
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I've quoted this line before, and I am likely to quote it again.
Principia Discordia said:
It is my firm belief [SIZE=-1] that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs[/SIZE]
One of the more significant lines in my opinion.
I think that this part is more important.
GP: Is Eris true?
M2: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
But let's not derail this thread with sectarian violence. :p You go along the atheist Discordian path and I will continue on my Henotheist Discordian path.
 
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Where does the Big Bang fit into your beliefs?
Quran 21:30"Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?"

might be..
 
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