I am interested to know as to who knows the difference between these two events, if any. I happen to know and that has given me my understanding of the rapture of the church, but I am more interested in what YOU ALL think. Any ideas?
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, [10] and crying out with a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" [11] And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, [12] saying, "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen."
[13] Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?" [14] I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[15] "Therefore they are before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
[16] They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore;
the sun shall not strike them,
nor any scorching heat.
[17] For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd,
and he will guide them to springs of living water,
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Originally posted by ladylove
Patmo,
Everything else you posted regarding the great tribulation and the Day of the Lord, is patently false. Okay, other remarks, please...
Originally posted by ladylove
Patmo,
I knew you would be the first to respond. You are partially correct, but not completely. The great tribulation is the greatest persecution that the Church will ever know since her founding, but it IS a specific period of time and is cut SHORT by the Lord Himself at His 2nd coming. This event is taught by Jesus Himself in Matt. 24:21-22. Everything else you posted regarding the great tribulation and the Day of the Lord, is patently false. Okay, other remarks, please...
Originally posted by LastDazed
Whie I don't necessarily agree with everything Patmosman said, I affirm He hit the nail on the head about the "Day of the Lord".
A Biblical "Day of the Lord" (There have been several throughout human history) encompasses exactly wat Patmosman said it does.
The 2nd coming of Christ is a Day of the Lord event, the greatest in all human history, but not the only Day of the Lord event that ever was. Scripture confirms there have been several.
Originally posted by LastDazed
Whie I don't necessarily agree with everything Patmosman said, I affirm He hit the nail on the head about the "Day of the Lord".
A Biblical "Day of the Lord" (There have been several throughout human history) encompasses exactly wat Patmosman said it does.
The 2nd coming of Christ is a Day of the Lord event, the greatest in all human history, but not the only Day of the Lord event that ever was. Scripture confirms there have been several.
Originally posted by ladylove
Patmo,
I am teaching that is why...I am doing this for my readers and not necessarily you. You give me teaching opportunity and that is why I do this. Yes, eschaltology is difficult and you are entitled to your opinions, but I seek what is most consistently taught throughout Scripture and unfortunately your views are not consistent.
1 Tim. 1:3-7 (ESV)
As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, [4] nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. [5] The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. [6] Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, [7] desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.
Originally posted by ladylove
No, Patmo did not hit the nail about anything, except the Church will endure the great tribulation. That is about it.
All other statements are patently false and your agreement will put your statements in the same catagory as well.
Originally posted by ladylove
Lastd,
You seem to know as much about the Day of the Lord as Patmo. It really is telling. It just goes to show how much misinformation is out there about eschatology and you just esposed it. So sorry.
Originally posted by ladylove
Lastd, is mistaken. There is no other Day of the Lord like this in history with the sole exception of possibly the flood of Genesis. Even the flood did not end the Satanic rule, but the Day of the Lord will indeed put it to an end and the rightful ruler will take His place...
Originally posted by jenlu
ladylove....
You talk(type) or "teach" as if you are the first person to ever come up with this stuff...I've heard this for 20+ years, if not more...spooky and intriguing(sp) to you, maybe...but old news...
Originally posted by jenlu
Hard for the ancient writers???? Excuse me...you really believe God did not WRITE the Bible???You think it was hard for Him...This premise on why some of the Bible is "tough" to understand or why the writers could not accurately describe what God wanted them to write is obviously ridiculous...
Originally posted by jenlu
99.9% huh...treading on thin ice here...what do you say we go for (even tho' I believe this to be false) that .01% and get your prediction(you know, signs of the times) of when the end shall be...you may round if you like...2010?....2015?....2020?...I'll even let you get away with the "I don't think we'll see the year 2030" type prediciton...