Hey all
Well, I can't figure out how so many come to this rapture idea?
I visited a few rapture websites today, and looked at all that was
offered on this thereoy. I just don't get it? One website that I
went to, went as far as quoting 2 Thes. 2:3-7, and then saying
that those who do not except this rapture stuff was going to
hell..... my,my,my, judging people to hell are we?
Goodness, me..... Now, I feel it's very clear if one is to read
2 thes. 2: 1-17 that it is very clearly stated that there is no
leaving this earth before, or durring the time of the tribulation.
2 Th. 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2:5
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2:9
Even him (JESUS), whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace ,
2:17
Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
For some reason, lots of people believe that when Paul is telling
the Thessalonians that when the Holy Spirit is removed (refered
to in verses 6-7) that the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth
all together..... Where did Paul say this? He simply states that
the Holy Spirit is restraining Satan, and the Holy Spirit will be
removed from that possition. He (Paul) didn't say anything
about the Holy Spirit being removed from earth all together.....
Another of the websites stated that because scripture says that:
"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man." (Luk 17:26)
that, that is proof of the rapture........
Say what?
If we remember correctly, Noah was not taken from this world
but rather, protected from Gods wrath.... No where did or does
it say that Noah was taken up to Heaven......
This same website said that if one does not believe in the rapture
that they make Gods word a lie.... Really, hows that?
They go on to say that because of this verse:
1Th 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
that we won't be here because God is pouring out His wrath upon
the world..... Well, if you remember reading in revelations of the
battle of Armageddon, you will surely remember this is the battle
between God and satan, and his followers. This is the wrath that
we are protected from, if we be for Him, and not against Him.
Here is a quote from another website on the rapture:
Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government. These Tribulation saints wannabees constantly harp, "Because Jesus and his disciples suffered persecution we should expect no better." It's been my experience that people with the weakest faith are generally ones that talk the boldest. When the slightest difficulty comes their way, they cry to high heaven.
It's been my experience that people with the weakest faith are generally ones that talk the boldest. When the slightest difficulty comes their way, they cry to high heaven
HHhmmm, is this guy really being serious? I think it's to bad that
a person would have to stoop to a comment like this just to try
and make a point....
Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government. These Tribulation saints wannabees constantly harp, "Because Jesus and his disciples suffered persecution we should expect no better."
Please read Mark chapter 13 (all of it), and Matthew chapter 24
(again all of it, thanks )
We are warned over & over by Jesus that we will suffer, and yes,
we should expect no better!! Many people think they are persecuted
now, but lets think about that? Just because someone tells me I'm
stupid for believing the word of God, or even strikes me because
of they're disbelief, would you consider this persecution? What if
my own brother where to never talk to me again because of my
belief, would this be persecution?
Believe me, we have not seen persecution yet! If someone is
going to cry a little about what someone else says about them,
I feel sorry for them. This is not about what people say or do to
us, this is about Jesus Christ, and following Him no matter where
He goes....
I hope I have not offended anyone, this is not my intentions, I
simply want to share some truth....
Patrick
Well, I can't figure out how so many come to this rapture idea?
I visited a few rapture websites today, and looked at all that was
offered on this thereoy. I just don't get it? One website that I
went to, went as far as quoting 2 Thes. 2:3-7, and then saying
that those who do not except this rapture stuff was going to
hell..... my,my,my, judging people to hell are we?
Goodness, me..... Now, I feel it's very clear if one is to read
2 thes. 2: 1-17 that it is very clearly stated that there is no
leaving this earth before, or durring the time of the tribulation.
2 Th. 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2:5
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2:9
Even him (JESUS), whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace ,
2:17
Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
For some reason, lots of people believe that when Paul is telling
the Thessalonians that when the Holy Spirit is removed (refered
to in verses 6-7) that the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth
all together..... Where did Paul say this? He simply states that
the Holy Spirit is restraining Satan, and the Holy Spirit will be
removed from that possition. He (Paul) didn't say anything
about the Holy Spirit being removed from earth all together.....
Another of the websites stated that because scripture says that:
"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man." (Luk 17:26)
that, that is proof of the rapture........
Say what?
If we remember correctly, Noah was not taken from this world
but rather, protected from Gods wrath.... No where did or does
it say that Noah was taken up to Heaven......
This same website said that if one does not believe in the rapture
that they make Gods word a lie.... Really, hows that?
They go on to say that because of this verse:
1Th 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
that we won't be here because God is pouring out His wrath upon
the world..... Well, if you remember reading in revelations of the
battle of Armageddon, you will surely remember this is the battle
between God and satan, and his followers. This is the wrath that
we are protected from, if we be for Him, and not against Him.
Here is a quote from another website on the rapture:
Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government. These Tribulation saints wannabees constantly harp, "Because Jesus and his disciples suffered persecution we should expect no better." It's been my experience that people with the weakest faith are generally ones that talk the boldest. When the slightest difficulty comes their way, they cry to high heaven.
It's been my experience that people with the weakest faith are generally ones that talk the boldest. When the slightest difficulty comes their way, they cry to high heaven
HHhmmm, is this guy really being serious? I think it's to bad that
a person would have to stoop to a comment like this just to try
and make a point....
Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government. These Tribulation saints wannabees constantly harp, "Because Jesus and his disciples suffered persecution we should expect no better."
Please read Mark chapter 13 (all of it), and Matthew chapter 24
(again all of it, thanks )
We are warned over & over by Jesus that we will suffer, and yes,
we should expect no better!! Many people think they are persecuted
now, but lets think about that? Just because someone tells me I'm
stupid for believing the word of God, or even strikes me because
of they're disbelief, would you consider this persecution? What if
my own brother where to never talk to me again because of my
belief, would this be persecution?
Believe me, we have not seen persecution yet! If someone is
going to cry a little about what someone else says about them,
I feel sorry for them. This is not about what people say or do to
us, this is about Jesus Christ, and following Him no matter where
He goes....
I hope I have not offended anyone, this is not my intentions, I
simply want to share some truth....
Patrick