Christian without creationism

Proof that you don't need to be a creationist to be a Christian (at least in Canada):

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/story.asp?id={5A3A861C-8478-4D9A-BB31-09C0B2C09883}

Lamoureux went back to school to earn a PhD in theology. He also studied science with the somewhat immodest belief he could debunk evolution.

Instead, the overwhelming "and staggering" scientific evidence chipped away at his conservative religious beliefs to the point where he became convinced Charles Darwin and his theories were irrefutable.
 
Chrisitans who believe in a creation are not necessarially creationists. Since the term "creationist" as in "evolutionist or creationist" refers specifically to those who believe in special creation. Some people prefer a broader application of the term "creationist." But then in loses most of its meaning for this forum, since then one can be both a creationist and a evolutionist at the same time.
 
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You can't be a Christian if you aren't a creationist
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There are a number of people on this board who are "evolutionists" and consider themselves creationists - but do considerthemselves christians. It strikes me as ironic that several of the creationists here will respond to each others posts with things like "your brother in Christ", but they don't extent that greeting to non-creationist christians (or even non YEC's in some cases).
 
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Here's a question (or two) for everyone...

In your opinion, what did the Intelligent Designer create, how did he do it, how long did it take, and about how old is the earth?

Or...

In your opinion, what created everything, how did it happen, how long did it take, and about how old is the earth?

Personally I believe that God (the Intelligent Designer) created everything. He created everything simply by speaking each thing into existence. And it took Him 6 days to create everything, and it has been about 6,000 years since he did it.

The discussion will be alot clearer when we know what each person believes.

Thanks,

Eric
 
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Originally posted by blader
1. I don't know what created everything.

2. The big bang, most likely.

3. The universe is between 13 and 14 billion years old.

4. The earth is around 4.5 billion years old.

 

What he said.

 

Cheers,

Prax (The Lazy Typist)
 
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Originally posted by blader
1. I don't know what created everything.

2. The big bang, most likely.

3. The universe is between 13 and 14 billion years old.

4. The earth is around 4.5 billion years old.

Same here, although I have been reading some stuff about M Theory which is looking at what may have preceded the Big Bang and what the Big Bang may have actually been ... fascinating stuff.
 
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Totally disagree. Not only does the Bible say "all things were created in six days" (ex 20:11), but evolution no matter how you slice and dice it, presents very big problems with what the Bible teaches concerning death and suffering and sin. Evolution does not mix with Christianity, but rather destroys it.
 
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Originally posted by Athlon4all
Totally disagree. Not only does the Bible say "all things were created in six days" (ex 20:11), but evolution no matter how you slice and dice it, presents very big problems with what the Bible teaches concerning death and suffering and sin. Evolution does not mix with Christianity, but rather destroys it.

just to point out evolution is a proven fact.
 
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Originally posted by blader:

1. I don't know what created everything.

2. The big bang, most likely.

3. The universe is between 13 and 14 billion years old.

4. The earth is around 4.5 billion years old.

What he said.
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I agree with this.
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Same here,...

Good, at least most of you agree on which theory is correct. Normally, all of the people who believe in evolution all have different explanations of how it happened.


 


Originally posted by Athlon4all:
Totally disagree. Not only does the Bible say "all things were created in six days" (ex 20:11), but evolution no matter how you slice and dice it, presents very big problems with what the Bible teaches concerning death and suffering and sin. Evolution does not mix with Christianity, but rather destroys it.

Exactly!



Originally posted by seesaw:
just to point out evolution is a proven fact.

No, not really. Here are some quotes to explain:

"I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially to the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."
--Malcolm Muggeridge, journalist and philosipher, Pascal Lectures, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.

"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We only believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable."
--Sir Arthur Keith (He wrote the forward to the 100th anniversary edition of Darwin's book, "Origin of species..." in 1959)

"Evolution is a fairy tale for grownups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."
--Professor Louis Bounoure, Former President, Biological Society of Strasbourg, Director of

I will explain this one. I suppose you have heard the fairy tale of the princess kissing the frog and it turned into a prince...

Frog + magic spell (usually a kiss) = Prince

With evolution we see...

Frog + time (and the magic words are "Billions and billions of years ago...") = Prince

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Even people, such as Sir Arthur Keith, know that evolution has never been proven. Like he says, people only believe it because the only alternative is to say that God created everything. Not many people want to believe that God created, because then the Bible would be true; that would mean they would have to do what the Bible says, and most people aren't willing to surrender themselves and obey the rules set in the Bible.
 
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