Do Orthodox Christians follow Christ?

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More lies and deliberate false witness. Not much we can do to change that. I believe I have one of his books on NT Greek, not very well written IMO, seeing how Orthodoxy is presented on his website, I see a correllation.
 
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My grandma - I'm quite proud of her :) very internet savvy, lol...Anyways, she heard about me becoming an Orthodox Catechumen, and decided to do a lot of research. I really appreciate her wanting to do this....The problem is - there is so much....propaganda...often from Evangelical perspective...that for her (being Evangelical) she will look at that first. Unfortunately, she found quite a bit similar to this work...and...well....that hasn't exactly "improved" her opinion of Orthodoxy. I love her so much - she's trying so hard to support me despite disagreeing - but it's hard to see her finding things that are misrepresentative of Orthodoxy - and thinking that those are the unbiased sources - rather than that of the Orthodox Church itself. Not to mention that the youth pastor from my old church is itinerating to be a missionary to Macedonia - in particular to witness to the Orthodox Christians :sigh:
 
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That's one of my big reasons for leaving my church - when I found out he was thinking about that. Well - the final straw. There were a lot of other things but I KNEW I couldn't be there when I heard that.
 
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"...We do not have many Orthodox churches here in America. The closest thing we have is Roman Catholicism. In fact, back in the history of Christendom, the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox churches were one and the same. If you remember your Christian history, in the first few hundred years after our Lord’s death and resurrection, the Body of Jesus met in homes, led by “non-professional” men, suffering greatly at the hands of non-believing Gentiles and Jews alike. The fellowship of the Churches was unstructured; there were no seminaries or formal Bible schools...."

from here, linked off that site. Real scholarly stuff and well informed. :tutu:
 
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When I get a lot of flack about Orthodoxy being wrong, I try to ask for prayers, and never tell them they're wrong, only try as humbly as I can to tell them our side of the picture. Being passive tends to annoy them, and their huffy spirit of pride only strengthens my belief in Orthodoxy. ;)
 
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As some of you may know, I work in a Baptist-run mission. My boss, God bless him, is a Baptist minister. So is our night manager. Our former NM is in training to be one. I am the only Orthodox in the building, in fact. So one could say I'm in a rather unique position, in re this subject.

Havi I been witnessed to, been on the recieving end of a conversion attempt? Of course. And , generally speaking, the ones who attempt this use material like the ones mentioned elsewhere in this thread. But, surprise surprise, the ones who generally try to "convert" me to "Jesus" (ie, thier version of it) tend to not be staff, or even actual clergy of any sort. Most of 'em tend to know the "Romans Switchback" (roads are straight, not skipping around three chapters) and maybe six or seven other verses, all used as proof texts. If ever you really wanna have some fun with these guys, give 'em the full quote and the context. But I digress.

Let's face it : as Orthodox Christians, we're gonna face persecution. And it especially stings from those who claim to worship the very God we do. All we can do really is pray, live truly Orthdox lives, and preach Christ. But there will never be true unity til God decides enough is enough and ends this silly little play.

God bless and forgive me.
 
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From a related article on David Alan Black's Website (I have several of his books on NT Greek and Linguistics):
I have recently been reading a book entitled Warriors of Ethiopia (see *** below). I highly recommend this book! It will open your eyes to the things suffered by Ethiopian evangelists in winning the Omo Valley of southeastern Ethiopia for the Gospel. The persecution often came from the Orthodox priests, and these priests controlled the judges and government officials. Why were these “Christians” so opposed to the Word of God? Because it changed society! Those accepting the Gospel had changed lives. They no longer lived in fear, they no longer bribed officials or paid the church tax, they no longer blindly obeyed the priests. For the first time in their lives, they lived in joy and peace and freedom. Wherever the Gospel was received, society changed, and the old order (including the Orthodox hierarchy) fought back. (As a child, I was stoned by Orthodox children, on order of their priests; thankfully, I was able to get away before serious damage was done.)
I think Becky (who wrote the above) must be Dave's wife.

Per Theophorus, her description of Church history is pretty simplistic and faulty and betrays an ignorance of scholarly studies of the subject, IMO:
If you remember your Christian history, in the first few hundred years after our Lord’s death and resurrection, the Body of Jesus met in homes, led by “non-professional” men, suffering greatly at the hands of non-believing Gentiles and Jews alike. The fellowship of the Churches was unstructured; there were no seminaries or formal Bible schools. The Gospel flowed from town to town as the people of God moved from town to town. Sometimes these people were sent by the Churches as missionaries (for example, Paul and Barnabas); sometimes they were just scattered by persecution (such as Priscilla and Aquila). But everywhere Christians went, they spoke of the Way of Jesus; theirs was a living testimony filled with the Spirit.
Then came Constantine. It was 312 years after the birth of our Lord Jesus. As Constantine came to his final battle, the city of Rome lay before him. Hailed as Augustus by his troops in the western part of the Roman Empire, he was now conquering the eastern part to unite all of the Empire under his leadership. He had a vision of a cross just prior to the battle. In the confidence of that vision, he won the victory. And after the victory, he pronounced that all his empire would become “Christian.” All of his soldiers were baptized upon his command and a cross was painted on their shields. Thus was born the “Holy Roman Empire.”
And what was the effect of this first “Christian” Emperor upon the Lord’s Church? He ended the persecution of the Christians through the Edict of Milan. He joined pagan things with Christian things to form synergistic religion. (For example, the celebration of Christ’s birth was joined to the worship of the birthday of the pagan sun god; this sun god was Constantine’s favorite pagan god.) He built Christian monuments and buildings beside pagan ones; the old St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome and the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem were built by him. He gave some of the government functions to the church, such that the church became an arm of the government. He called together councils of church leaders to debate and decide doctrinal issues. (For example, the Council of Nicea decided the canon of the Scriptures.) During the structuring of his empire, the Bishop of Rome, the Bishop of Antioch, and the Bishop of Alexandria were established; later the Bishop of Constantinople and the Bishop of Jerusalem were added.
How can she ask us to remember something which she herself apparently has never really studied? :scratch: She sounds like she saw THE DA VINCI CODE one too many times.
 
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But everywhere Christians went, they spoke of the Way of Jesus; theirs was a living testimony filled with the Spirit.


So.... after Constantine came to the picture all the "spirit" left....went bye bye....lol.... And who put the Bible together and the canon of the OT and NT? ....aha... little spirit filled ministers called the Fathers...

What a dirstortion of Church history....Forgive me

And God bless,
Philothei
 
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Yeah, right around this time last year after my chrismation, my friends from the First Baptist church I used to go to really jumped on me for converting to Orthodoxy. They thought it was just some weird form of Catholicism, as one of them had "studied" the faith through a mission trip to Romania and told the others about it, so they assumed they were informed. Like Cyprian said, all they really said were a few "proof texts" against some things that they think Roman Catholics are wrong for doing (praying to the Mary and to the saints, the Eucharist, Church hierarchy, etc...you've all heard this before) and we had some fun little talks about all this lol.

But you know, all we can really do is pray for them and for ourselves and just live our lives as the Orthodox we are.

~Phil~
 
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When I get a lot of flack about Orthodoxy being wrong, I try to ask for prayers, and never tell them they're wrong, only try as humbly as I can to tell them our side of the picture. Being passive tends to annoy them, and their huffy spirit of pride only strengthens my belief in Orthodoxy. ;)
Blessed catechumenate to you, brother.
 
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Once again we see the hypocricy of those that teach "there is no visible church, all christians regardless of congregation are the body of Christ known only to God".

These same hippocrites then send their missionaries to already christian lands to set up rival churches and pit small villagers against each other.

It also demonstrates the arrogance of american missionaries. Because of their wealth they think they can travel the world over and convert everyone to their false american gospel, can you imagine if thousands of buddhist monks came to the south to convert everyone.
 
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