Continental Drift

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Originally posted by npetreley
How does it prove that? Just because you know the rate of continental drift since it has been measured doesn't tell you it has always been the same. You may believe it has always been the same, but that's faith, not proof.

AGAIN, nick..

I request of you...explain the formation of the Rockies, the Appalachians, and the Himalayas, WITHOUT using continental drift?

 
 
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seesaw...SHHHHHH...lol I asked Nick...
He's questioning the drift rate, and the consistency. I'd like him to explain these mountain ranges without a near constant drift rate.

and I'd love Duane to analyze the thousands of core samples taken from these mountain ranges and restate his 'timeline'
 
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Originally posted by Morat
  Nick, would you like to hear the gaping, huge, gigantic flaw in that "theory" (I use the term loosely, here)? Of course you do.

   Because you're a smart man, who will undoubtably be furious with whatever lame source you got that from when you realize how easily they snowed you.

   You see Nick, contintents moving around, well...there's a couple of things involved. One is "mechanism". Heck, lack of a mechanism is why continental drift languished for so many years. Now, do you know of a mechanism that'll shove continents around really fast? Noah's flood, you say. Fair enough, "How?"

  But here's the big one, Nick. And this is important. To make that 'theory' work (yes, I have heard it) requires you to move the continents very fast indeed. Not millimeters or centimeters per year but meters per day or faster!

   Now, Nick, bright boy that you are, can you tell me what's a byproduct of big slabs o'rock moving around like that, slamming into other slabs of rock, lifting and subducting and sliding? I mean, besides things like volcanos and massive earthquakes and tidal waves and the utter destruction of everything?

    That's right, Nick! HEAT! Not just piddling, lame amounts of warmth, but absolute barrels of pure, unadulterated heat that would make a Texan wilt.

    So much heat, in fact, that the "Flood" would have been better described as "broiling superheated steam" and the "Waters" Noah sailed on would better be called "molten rock".

    I mean, killing Noah off and rendering the Earth a molten mass with a boiling atmosphere kinda wasn't mentioned in the Bible. And darnit, I'm not sure even gopher wood could sail on magma.

 

 

To add....violently ripping the subcontinents around meters per hour/minute would not only produce extreme heat due to friction/pressure but would ALSO release TREMENDOUS amounts of magma. Consider the amount of magma released yearly from the "Pacific Ring of Fire" from a very SMALL amount of continental drift.  Therefore, the claim that the continents were rapidly formed from a Global flood could not have possible happened.

(A working model demonstrating this might be a good science project for my daughters Science Fair)...

THANKS FOR INSPIRING THE THOUGHT!
 
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Bear: Nick believes that "real science" is data points alone, and that theories, hypothesis, or laws are "just imagination". So, measurements of contintenal movement are "real science" but plate tectonics is just "imagination".

  That might help you understand where he's coming from.

 

 

  
 
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Originally posted by Smilin
AGAIN, nick..

I request of you...explain the formation of the Rockies, the Appalachians, and the Himalayas, WITHOUT using continental drift?

 

Perhaps they were caused by continental drift. I didn't think that was the issue. I thought the issue was how fast the continents separated.
 
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"Goddidit!!" That's rich.

I guess if you went to a doctor, you would only be interested in him saying 'Goddidit!!!', when you asked him to diagnose your aillment. Heck, for that matter, do you even see doctors?


From the tone of most of your posts, I might suggest that maybe it is you, not I, that needs to be making that "Doctor" appointment. :rolleyes:

Why are you so hateful?
 
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Originally posted by Stormy
From the tone of most of your posts, I might suggest that maybe it is you, not I, that needs to be making that "Doctor" appointment. :rolleyes:

Why are you so hateful?

C O N T I N E N T A L - D R I F T ---- Do you have anything to contribiute on this topic, or is it your sole intent to harrass and flame in this thread?
 
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C O N T I N E N T A L - D R I F T ---- Do you have anything to contribiute on this topic, or is it your sole intent to harrass and flame in this thread?

Right back at ya! I think that every poster on this thread has added to it... other than yourself. Try reading the thread objectively.

Maybe you should ask yourself the question you pose at me?
 
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Hey Smilin,
http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/GISP2/DATA/fancy.html

Here is your link.

As to why I have not mentioned other ice-cores, it is because as far as I know most if not all of them have gone through numurous cycles of accumulation and thawing. This particular core is thought, by the scientists that drilled it, that it has never gone thorough a thaw cycle, so it is a continuous and contiguous record. Whereas the others are not.

So this is the one I first started with, and this is the one that shows the whole picture.

So I took this graph and placed it in CorelDRAW!, setting the leading edge at 12mm and the trailing edge at 6000mm, using 0mm as 2000 A.D. and 6000mm as 4000 B.C., adding the Hebrew dates to match the two calanders. Then I started plugging in dates, both from the Bible's account in Genesis and from currently accepted dates of events that would cause a great amount of dust to be thrown up into the atmosphere.

This graph shows the relative dust content in the atmosphere using the calcium contained in the ice.
The higher the spike in the graph, the higher the dust content.
A higher dust content means a colder climate, so the graph is also showing the climate and ice ages.

So what do you think I found that surprised me greatly?
Well, first the dates that I put in.
The birth years of Adams decendants, beginning with Adam and Eve in the year 0 of the Hebrew calander. so Seth was at 130H and so on. Year 1656H for the flood. and the birth year of Peleg, because it was in his days that the earth was divided. Babel, when God confounded language and speech and scattered the inhabitants abroad.

535 A.D., the eruption of Krakatoa volcano, which is known to have caused a worldwide climate shift, the 79 A.D. eruption of Vesuvius, and the 2209 B.C. passing of Hale-Bopp comet. Which was the last passing before the one in 1997-8 that the Hebrews thought could be the comet referred to in an old oral tradition that said when a comet comes out of Orion the end of the world is near. Hale-Bopp passed through Orion on it's way in.

Interestingly, Hale-Bopps passing in 2209 B.C. is 1551H, just 105 years before the flood of Noah.
And there is a lone spike in the graph at precisely this point. It is the third spike on the graph. So what I think happened is Hale-Bopp broke up and part either grazed the earth or impacted. And impact is more likely in my opinion judging from the spike.

And then Noah begins the construction of the ark and has his three boys within about five years.

Then 105 years after the passing of Hale-Bopp, the flood. No spike here, but that was a deluge, which would take dust out of the atmosphere.

Then around 150 years later another huge short lived spike. And this was at 1953 B.C., on my timeline of 6000 years. This is the third tallest spike on the graph.
Interestingly, Peleg, the guy in whose days the earth was divided, was about 50 years old, and the Chinese calander began in 1953 B.C., or 1807H.
Then all he** breaks loose, so to speak. The graph goes wild.
Huge and long lived spikes lasting 500 years, two in quick succession over that 500 years, indicating a major ice age.

The second tallest spike on the graph happens precisely at 535 A.D., the eruption of Krakatoa, which leveled the island and caused a worldwide climate change.
The tallest spike I have not identified, but it happened within about 100 years of the Krakatoa eruption. And current tree ring studies show that the dust event of 535 A.D. was actually a double event. But no one knows what that second event was, yet.

The 79 A.D. eruption of Vesuvius is also a spike on the graph. A small spike.
Around 1200-1300 A.D., again on my 6000 year timeline, the graph dies down to a very low level, indicating a calmer and warmer climate. And this level of dust is the lowest for the entire graph, and remained so until they drilled it in 1998.

And this is born out in our recorded history, and that is the time most of the scientific advances began to emerge. and for the past 800 years or so we have had the calmest and warmest climate in any time in past recorded history.

I place the leading edge of the graph at 12mm, because the drilling began in 1998, 12 years before 2000.
The trailing edge was put at 6000mm, just to see what would happen. Adam began to age at 3760 B.C., if we use the Hebrew calander as that guide. And Adam was already around for some time before he was split into Adam and Eve. So I just went back to 4000 B.C. as a starting point to line up the graph with a Biblical timeline.

Now, don't get me wrong here. I am not saying the earth is only 6000 years old, although that is a possibility. I really think the earth is much older. But as the dates all line up so perfectly, I think the ICE is only 6000 years old.
I have never changed the starting or ending points on the graph timeline to make things fit. It is just a straight one-to-one conversion with the dates mentioned. and everything I put in lines up EXACTLY.

Isaiah 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

This verse is describing both the flood and a pole-shift of the planet.
The flood made the earth empty and waste. The pole-shift turned the world upside down and scattered the inhabitants abroad.
Abroad alright, all the way around the globe with the breaking up of the single continent that sent the land masses flying away from each other.
When they began to collide some of the highest mountain ranges were formed, and you can see this process clearly in the graph. Especially that first 500 years after Babel.

The flood did not cause the land masses to move, it was a PHYSICAL pole-shift of the planet. No one can argue that that event could have the necessary energy to get the land masses moving. I do not know what caused the shift in the first place, maybe God did it;-)
But the Bible is the only place that recorded it, as far as I know.

The land masses would have been moving at their fastest right after the shift, and they have slowed to the current rate that we see today.

The datings given for the graph by the scientists is roughly 110,000 years.
And when I did a bit of research into how they came up with that figure, I found that they choose between three best guess methods.
They guess, however, they do not KNOW.
And they are not into looking at things from a Biblical perspective, sad to say. The objectivity of scientists goes only so far.

1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

And the Bible even says there is a witness in water, and I think ice qualifies as water. And I think this ice-core is the witness that God left that we were supposed to be looking for.

Is this enough for ANYONE to take an interest? Bear? Ocean?
 
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Thanks Bear, and like I have said, I will provide the graphic in the original Corel format or any number of bitmap formats if you wish to see exactly what I did.
Just e-mail me
Duane@computerroom.com
and let me know what format and if your service has a size limitation on attachments.

 

I fixed my e-mail address
 
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Probably just by inferrance.
The pole-shift would have set the land masses in motion, but we do not know how fast they would have been traveling. But it seems that the faster they were going, the more dust that would have been created when the first of them collided. The ice-core graph shows the third tallest spike beginning at precisely 1953 B.C., and it is tall and short lived.
This would have been the actual turning upside down of the planet. And the forces imparted to the land masses caused them to begin moving.
The next spike is more like a mountain, almost as high and much longer in duration. It lasts around 250 years. The next spike is nearly identical in size and duration. But it is a little smaller.
In my reasoning, the faster the masses are moving when they collide, the more dust they would produce and the longer amount of time it would take them to scrub all that velocity. So the first events after the shift would be of the longest duration with the most dust.

This is what the core graph shows in those first spikes after the pole-shift.
And as friction causes drag, the land masses should be traveling at an ever decreasing rate, so the later spikes should be of a shorter duration and less dust should be thrown into the atmosphere.

Again, this is what the graph shows.
Then when most of the motion is reduced by the drag, you would only have the motion from the divergant boundries and the other factors we see today.
 
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