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Harpuia · Oct 11, 2007

Followers4christ said:
Criminology said:

Wrong.

Hundreds of thousands of children and teenagers listen to violent music, watch violence on TV, and play violent video games. And they do not kill their classmates.

You are wrong.

Here are some Statistics of what this generation is facing.Our generation is in crisis even if you do not want to see it and face the truth.We must all wake up and save this young generation before its too late.God Bless

Studies have shown that 73% of boys and 78% of girls between the ages of 12 to 19 watch over 6 hours of MTV every week! Take into consideration what they are watching every hour. The statistics show that an average hour of MTV contains; six violent scenes, eight profanities, and nine instances of sexual content. One young person said; "I think MTV is getting us ready for the real world." MTV's take on this issue; "We don't advertise to this generation. WE OWN THIS GENERATION."

This generation spends three hours a day online and is the first to grow up with point-and-click inappropriate contentography. Almost 90 percent of teens have viewed inappropriate contentography online at one of the 300,000 adult websites, most while doing homework.

"More than 25 percent of teen-targeted radio segments contain sexual content; 42 percent of the top selling CDs contain sexual content."

1 in 2 of us are no longer virgins.

9 out of 10 of us have seen inappropriate content online.

1 out of 10 fifteen year olds and younger have gone through family divorce in their life-time.

1 in 3 of us have been drunk in the last month.

1 in 4 of us use illegal drugs.

1 in 5 contemplated suicide,over 1,500 kill themselves each year.

1 in 10 of us has been Raped at some point in their life.

1 Million woman are pregnant,340,000 women get abortions each year.

8,000 of us contract an STD every day.

40% have experimented with Self-injury ("are "cutters").

48% of high school seniors are Sexually Active (had sexual intercourse in past 3 months).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRCAKHs1TY

65% say there is no way to tell which religion is true.

91% say there is No Absolute Truth.

75% of teens in America believe the central message of the Bible is, "God helps those who help themselves".

53% believe Jesus committed sin (40% of born again teens believe Jesus committed sin).

35% of adults are Bible beliving Christians.While the numbers show 35% of adults are Bible beliving Christians,at the present rate of evangelism that number will drop to 4% for this new generation.What will it look like then?

Up to 90% of those who come to Christ do so before they are 20.Within 5 years most of this generation will be in their 20's.What we do in the next 5 years,will lay the coures for the next 50 years of american history.

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You guys should really update those stats. I'm pretty sure they've changed in the last 3 years.

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Christian Soldier · Oct 11, 2007

SpiritualAntiseptic said:
They took their lyrics out of context. They didn't overdub the lyrics in German, since most of them are in English. The problem is they took the English lyrics grossly out of context. The subtitles of the clip were not German, btw.

As usual, you're WRONG. They did NOT take their words out of context. And just what was that foreign language in the subtitles, if not German?

Below are the KMFDM lyrics to "Piggybank", direct from their own official website, where they repeat the phrase "If I had a shotgun, I'd blow myself to hell" at least six times. Proof positive that the people who made the film clip were absolutely correct, and took nothing out of context:

Piggybank

Totally addicted
Under detrimental spell
If I had a shotgun
I’d blow myself to hell

Let me be your piggybank
For nothing but your smell
And if I had a shotgun
I’d blow myself to hell

Squalid and deranged
I'm the outlaw of the kin
We'll never be the same again
Stuck in deadly sin

Written and Composed by: Sascha Konietzko, En Esch, Günter Schulz, Rudolph Naomi

SpiritualAntiseptic · Oct 11, 2007

Christian Soldier said:
As usual, you're WRONG. They did NOT take their words out of context. And just what was that foreign language in the subtitles, if not German?

I believe they were Dutch.

Below are the KMFDM lyrics to "Piggybank", direct from their own official website, where they repeat the phrase "If I had a shotgun, I'd blow myself to hell" at least six times. Proof positive that the people who made the film clip were absolutely correct, and took nothing out of context:

Those are the lyrics, but they are speaking from another point of view. For example, in Money (http://www.mp3lyrics.org/k/kmfdm/money/) they are speaking about a drug dealer from his point of view. They are not claiming to be drug dealers nor glorifying the lifestyle. Kids won't listen to it and want to be 30-year old white trash selling drugs to kids and having an alcoholic girlfriend.

This is like saying the producers of a TV show or movie are promoting a certain idea or way of life because they present it from that person's point of view. Not everything is about how "I love Jesus, ya ya ya". Some artists prefer to use lyrics to create darker images of particular themes or events. Just like someone might make a movie about a serial killer. The lyrics are about a seriously disturbed and troubled person and there is nothing in it to suggest 'you should do this'- just the opposite.

Christian Soldier · Oct 11, 2007

White Flesh Lyrics
» Rammstein

(Translation To: WeißEs Fleisch)

You, in the schoolyard
I am ready to kill
and no one here knows
of my loneliness

Red welts on white skin
I hurt you
and you cry loudly

No you are scared and I am ready
my black blood soils your dress

Your white flesh excites me so
I am just a gigolo
your white flesh enlightens me

My black blood and your white flesh
I will always become hornier from your screams
the cold sweat on your white forehead
hails into my sick brain

Your white flesh excites me so
I am just a gigolo
my father was exactly like me
your white flesh enlightens me

Now you are scared and I am ready
my sick existence cries for redemption
your white flesh becomes my scaffold
in my heaven there is no god

Your white flesh excites me so
I am just a gigolo
your white flesh enlightens me
my father was exactly like me
your white flesh excites me so
I am just a sad gigolo
your white flesh enlightens me

http://www.lyricsdomain.com/18/rammstein/white_flesh.html

SpiritualAntiseptic · Oct 11, 2007

That's nice, but I can't speak for Rammstein. I usually don't speak about subjects I don't know about (as a general rule).

SpiritualAntiseptic · Oct 11, 2007

It's just amazing that people blame lyrics. I turned out fine listening to 'industrial' music and so did millions of other teenagers during the 90s.

Then you find a teenager that is really into music and kills people. Well, gee... teenagers usually are into music. One that has dark thoughts isn't going to be listening to Brittany Spears.

marblehead · Oct 11, 2007

Weisses Fleisch" (pronounced [ˈvaisəs flaiʃ]) is about assault and rape. Till Lindemann once said in an interview that he received a letter from a girl who was raped, thanking him for making the song.
"She wrote that she could identify with the song "Weisses Fleisch" - that was also in The Index for a short while. I spoke about rape while she couldn't. She had grown up with the idea that she had to keep that period from her youth a secret, and couldn't tell anyone. Through my song, she understood she could talk about it. She was so grateful I had written that song... I still don't understand what people get so excited about."

The song also was credited by American journalists as one of the influences behind the Columbine High School massacre due to the opening words of the song ("Du, auf dem Schulhof ich, zum Töten bereit", "You, in the schoolyard I, ready to kill") and the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were professed Rammstein fans. In response, the band issued this statement:
"The members of Rammstein express their condolences and sympathy to all affected by the recent tragic events in Denver. They wish to make it clear that they have no lyrical content or political beliefs that could have possibly influenced such behavior. Additionally, members of Rammstein have children of their own, in whom they continually strive to instill healthy and non-violent values."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzeleid

Christian Soldier · Oct 11, 2007

"I believe they were Dutch."

Dutch is very similar to German, so you're straining here. But it is irrelevant either way. The fact of the matter is, the makers of the film clip did NOT take anything out of context. They listed the lyrics exactly as the band wrote them.

"Those are the lyrics, but they are speaking from another point of view. For example, in Money (http://www.mp3lyrics.org/k/kmfdm/money/) they are speaking about a drug dealer from his point of view. They are not claiming to be drug dealers nor glorifying the lifestyle. Kids won't listen to it and want to be 30-year old white trash selling drugs to kids and having an alcoholic girlfriend."

Funny, but nowhere does the band indicate that they are speaking from "another point of view" on "Piggybank". How can you be speaking from "another point of view", when you're talking about killing YOURSELF with a shotgun?!

Your words are empty, meaningless excuses.

"This is like saying the producers of a TV show or movie are promoting a certain idea or way of life because they present it from that person's point of view. Not everything is about how "I love Jesus, ya ya ya". Some artists prefer to use lyrics to create darker images of particular themes or events."

And I suppose it's just a "coincidence" that in every one of these school shootings where the killers were deeply involved with music, the bands they worshiped were Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, KMFDM etc.

Funny, but not any of the shooters involved in these multiple mass-killings, was reported to have been a regular church-goer, who listened to various types of Christian music.

Virtually every one of them was bitterly anti-Christian, and it wasn't because they were teased by Christians at school. In fact at Columbine, there was no evidence that it was Christian kids who teased them, if indeed they really were teased that much.

Anti-Christian types are trying to make Klebold out to be a "poor, helpess victim" of "meanie" Christians who allegedly teased him. Which is sheer propaganda and nonsense.

It's painfully obvious to the intellectually honest, that "artists" who prefer "darker images" in their music, quite obviously attract a darker breed of human beings.

"Just like someone might make a movie about a serial killer. The lyrics are about a seriously disturbed and troubled person and there is nothing in it to suggest 'you should do this'- just the opposite."

How is it "just the opposite."?! Where are they saying NOT to do it?! They aren't.

You obviously don't understand the power of suggestion, which can influence the subconscious mind, without an individual even being aware of it in many cases.

The power of suggestion is pretty basic stuff from a psychological standpoint, so I'm surprised you wouldn't be knowledgeable of something so simple.

Christian Soldier · Oct 11, 2007

marblehead said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzeleid

A rather poor attempt at "damage control" on Wikipedia and Rammstein's part. More pathetic excuse-making.

The fact of the matter is, the singer clearly sings "You, in the schoolyard, I am ready to kill". As well as "In my Heaven there is no God."

marblehead · Oct 11, 2007

They were probably drawn to the music because they were troubled. The music didn't cause them to do what they did.

Industrial music is highly symbolic, like holding up a mirror to the world and showing the ugliness. It doesn't have the power to make someone kill.

People make their own choices. Learn to deal with the fact that it's not as simple as "this music turned them into killers". It's already been brought up several times that millions of people listen to this music and don't decide to shoot people.

Saying it's the music is a copout.

Christian Soldier · Oct 11, 2007

Kahlan said:
It's more common for street gangs to assault someone or kill an enemy gang.

Yep, the same Black street gangs that listen to hours of rap music with ultra-violent and overtly sexual lyrics, and watch hours of music videos extolling the same things.

Nobody's blaming just Rock.

The fact is, there are WAY TOO MANY mass shootings in schools, period. It's not debatable. White, Black, Latin, Asian, male, female, conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat----ALL agree that there is something VERY wrong here.

Anybody who doesn't realize that is sleepwalking through life. And I'm tired of hearing the pathetic excuse that "those poor babies like Klebold and Harris were teased by big, bad meanies!"

More often than not, it's CHRISTIANS who are teased and harrassed in school. The vast majority of Christian kids go to secular schools, where they are in the distinct minority. I've seen Christian kids BRUTALLY harrassed and mocked in school, yet they don't go around blowing a dozen or more people away.

NgNm · Oct 11, 2007

The musical tastes of murders only gets poitned out when they happen to be into music that is branded as unacceptable. Had some one gone on a shooting rampage and their room then been found to contain every scrap of music that Johhny Cash ever composed that bit of info would never make the news but hey should they find a cradel of filth album "TEH DEVIL MUSIC MAD HIM DID IT!". Bah.

marblehead · Oct 11, 2007

Christian Soldier said:
The fact is, there are WAY TOO MANY mass shootings in schools, period. It's not debatable. White, Black, Latin, Asian, male, female, conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat----ALL agree that there is something VERY wrong here.

School shootings are very rare. Kids are much more likely to die from car accidents.

More often than not, it's CHRISTIANS who are teased and harrassed in school. The vast majority of Christian kids go to secular schools, where they are in the distinct minority. I've seen Christian kids BRUTALLY harrassed and mocked in school, yet they don't go around blowing a dozen or more people away.

Many other people get bullied too. Most people, Christian or otherwise, don't shoot up schools because most people don't shoot up schools.

Sphere · Oct 11, 2007

Followers4christ said:
Here are some Statistics of what this generation is facing.Our generation is in crisis even if you do not want to see it and face the truth.We must all wake up and save this young generation before its too late.God Bless

That's nice. All of those statistics deal with social issues, not children and teenagers killing their classmates. The entire thrust of your initial thesis was that the American Culture of "Violence" is responsible for these kinds of shootings. Which just isn't the case.

Followers4christ said:
65% say there is no way to tell which religion is true.

91% say there is No Absolute Truth.

75% of teens in America believe the central message of the Bible is, "God helps those who help themselves".

53% believe Jesus committed sin (40% of born again teens believe Jesus committed sin).

35% of adults are Bible beliving Christians.While the numbers show 35% of adults are Bible beliving Christians,at the present rate of evangelism that number will drop to 4% for this new generation.What will it look like then?

Up to 90% of those who come to Christ do so before they are 20.Within 5 years most of this generation will be in their 20's.What we do in the next 5 years,will lay the coures for the next 50 years of american history.

This part I find amusing. This appears to be where you are really concerned. The whole pretend opposition to spree shootings, and culture of violence is just a smoke screen to hide what you really want for America's youth. You want want them to adhere to your True® religion--you want them to become members of your special little club. Sorry, but that doesn't have to do with anything. Over 80% of the US is Christian, and plenty of them kill people, commit crimes, and engage in deviant behavior.

praying · Oct 11, 2007

Folks you cannot post entire song lyrics (unless you have express written permission) it violates the copyright laws and rules.

3.13 Members will not make posts that violate the copyrights of others. In general, this means that any quoted portion of any work must not exceed 20% of the total work. In the specific case of materials owned by the Associated Press, members shall not quote more than one sentence of the work and provide a link to the work.

Followers4christ · Oct 11, 2007

marblehead said:
School shootings are very rare. Kids are much more likely to die from car accidents.

Many other people get bullied too. Most people, Christian or otherwise, don't shoot up schools because most people don't shoot up schools.

It happens more often then you might like to think.Check out this link on recent school shootings:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

Sphere · Oct 11, 2007

Christian Soldier said:
Yep, the same Black street gangs that listen to hours of rap music with ultra-violent and overtly sexual lyrics, and watch hours of music videos extolling the same things.

The music has nothing to do with it. At all.

Christian Soldier said:
Anybody who doesn't realize that is sleepwalking through life. And I'm tired of hearing the pathetic excuse that "those poor babies like Klebold and Harris were teased by big, bad meanies!"

It doesn't matter whether you like to hear it. It happens, and sometimes the person being teased is mentally unstable. It has nothing to do with listening to music, watching TV, or playing video games.

Christian Soldier said:
More often than not, it's CHRISTIANS who are teased and harrassed in school. The vast majority of Christian kids go to secular schools, where they are in the distinct minority. I've seen Christian kids BRUTALLY harrassed and mocked in school, yet they don't go around blowing a dozen or more people away.

Yes, they do. It's just incidents involving multiple victims are extremely rare. The media is less apt to report on something involving just two people, but those are generally the more common types of incident. Having membership of a religion has no influence on whether or not someone is going to be mentally unstable. Don't pretend it does.

Harpuia · Oct 11, 2007

Christian Soldier said:
Yep, the same Black street gangs that listen to hours of rap music with ultra-violent and overtly sexual lyrics, and watch hours of music videos extolling the same things.

Nobody's blaming just Rock.

The fact is, there are WAY TOO MANY mass shootings in schools, period. It's not debatable. White, Black, Latin, Asian, male, female, conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat----ALL agree that there is something VERY wrong here.

Anybody who doesn't realize that is sleepwalking through life. And I'm tired of hearing the pathetic excuse that "those poor babies like Klebold and Harris were teased by big, bad meanies!"

More often than not, it's CHRISTIANS who are teased and harrassed in school. The vast majority of Christian kids go to secular schools, where they are in the distinct minority. I've seen Christian kids BRUTALLY harrassed and mocked in school, yet they don't go around blowing a dozen or more people away.

Please cite that. I've never heard of such a thing.

No, I'll correct that. I've heard of it, but it is far more rare to find Christians bullied than the other way around.

marblehead · Oct 11, 2007

Followers4christ said:
It happens more often then you might like to think.Check out this link on recent school shootings:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

That's a very short list spanning a decade of school shootings in a world of over 6 billion people.

Christian Soldier · Oct 11, 2007

"The music has nothing to do with it. At all."

HOGWASH!

"It doesn't matter whether you like to hear it. It happens, and sometimes the person being teased is mentally unstable. It has nothing to do with listening to music, watching TV, or playing video games."

It doesn't matter to me that you don't want to hear what I have to say. So deal with it!

"Yes, they do. It's just incidents involving multiple victims are extremely rare. The media is less apt to report on something involving just two people, but those are generally the more common types of incident. Having membership of a religion has no influence on whether or not someone is going to be mentally unstable. Don't pretend it does."

It has been noted that you haven't provided a shred of documentation to support your baseless assertions.

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