CLEVELAND — Three students and three teachers were reportedly shot at a Cleveland hi

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Just off the tv.
2 adults, a 17 yr old, a 14 yr old female, and the supposedly the 14 yr old shooter.

14 yr old female(injured knee)
14 yr old male(shooter) killed in the event.

Ellegedly, the shooter had been suspended, and he was upset at the school.
All kids(other then shooter) are in stable condition. 1 adult was in elevated condition.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300839,00.html
 

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Coon, who was white, stood out in the predominantly black school dressing in a goth style, wearing a black trench coat, black boots, a dog collar and chains, she said.

"He's crazy. He threatened to blow up our school. He threatened to stab everybody," said Doneisha LeVert, 14. "We didn't think nothing of it."

Police believe Coon, wearing a Marilyn Manson shirt, black jeans and black nail polish, targeted the two teachers he shot Wednesday.

Coon's troubles seemed to come to a breaking point this week. Students said Monday's fight was over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshipped rocker Marilyn Manson.



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Sounds like another Marilyn Manson's fan went on a rampage.If you listen to violent music,movies,games, and read it,it will sooner or later affect your actions.God Bless



1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character."
 
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Why do I feel like there's something more behind the underlines?

I remember following the Columbine shooting, anyone who wasn't a religious, social butterfly jock was being looked at a lot more closely by the police and teachers in our area. They weren't good times.

In fact, that was how the Zero-tolerance policy was more enforced around here, and led to a rise in bullying for people of that personality, but we couldn't do anything about it because we know we'd be punished MORE if we ever struck back.

Man... I feel it's going to happen again.
 
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Why do I feel like there's something more behind the underlines?

I remember following the Columbine shooting, anyone who wasn't a religious, social butterfly jock was being looked at a lot more closely by the police and teachers in our area. They weren't good times.

In fact, that was how the Zero-tolerance policy was more enforced around here, and led to a rise in bullying for people of that personality, but we couldn't do anything about it because we know we'd be punished MORE if we ever struck back.

Man... I feel it's going to happen again.


Look at my second post to know whats behind the underlines.I do not support bullying anyone nor do I feel that people should look down on them.Even the Columbine shooting was influenced by satanic music and other violent "entertainment".But the point is if you listen to violent music,movies,games, and read it,it will sooner or later affect your actions.God Bless
 
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Look at my second post to know whats behind the underlines.I do not support bullying anyone nor do I feel that people should look down on them.Even the Columbine shooting was influenced by satanic music and other violent "entertainment".But the point is if you listen to violent music,movies,games, and read it,it will sooner or later affect your actions.God Bless
Yes, but who drags them to that darkness?

I'll give you a hint. Many people I know who are into those things did not find it on their own, or felt anything supernatural. They were influenced because they were rejected somewhere.
 
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Look at my second post to know whats behind the underlines.I do not support bullying anyone nor do I feel that people should look down on them.Even the Columbine shooting was influenced by satanic music and other violent "entertainment".But the point is if you listen to violent music,movies,games, and read it,it will sooner or later affect your actions.God Bless
Music, movies and games don't make people kill people.
 
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Sounds like another Marilyn Manson's fan went on a rampage.

Yet another? Please list the others that have gone on "rampages" keeping in mind that the columbine murders did not actually like manson he was just the most popular metal act at the time so he got the blaim.


If you listen to violent music,movies,games, and read it,it will sooner or later affect your actions.God Bless

I have been playing first person shooters/violent vidogames from the orginal wolfenstien onwards, I have been listening to metal (manson included) for going on 13 years now, dress mostly in black and have very long hair. I also abor real life volence, hold down two jobs, am faithful to my partner and dont even eat meat. Please do not lump me and all other metal heads/gamers in with the likes of this nut.
 
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Yes, but who drags them to that darkness?

I'll give you a hint. Many people I know who are into those things did not find it on their own, or felt anything supernatural. They were influenced because they were rejected somewhere.


Yes.Rejection can play a large part in it.At battleCry events I met alot of troubled teens who were rejected by abusive parents and even self-proclaiming christians.But rejection does not play a part in all cases.Alot of teens just love violent games (GTA,Saints Row,State Of Emergency) and music (Marilyn Manson,Eminem,Metallica) without ever facing rejection.They are the victims in this violent and over-sexualized culture that tries to brand them.They tell the teen's how to dress and whats cool from age 12 they have are already branded by the Corporations, media conglomerates, and purveyors of popular culture that have spent billions to seduce and enslave the youth.God Bless
 
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Music, movies and games don't make people kill people.
If your submerged in a violent culture then you will act in a violent manner.If you love violent music,movies,magizines, and video games then yes you will act in the only way you can though violence.God Bless
 
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Yes.Rejection can play a large part in it.At battleCry events I met alot of troubled teens who were rejected by abusive parents and even self-proclaiming christians.But rejection does not play a part in all cases.Alot of teens just love violent games (GTA,Saints Row,State Of Emergency) and music (Marilyn Manson,Eminem,Metallica) without ever facing rejection.They are the victims in this violent and over-sexualized culture that tries to brand them.They tell the teen's how to dress and whats cool from age 12 they have are already branded by the Corporations, media conglomerates, and purveyors of popular culture that have spent billions to seduce and enslave the youth.God Bless
People make their own choices what they enjoy, it doesn't mean they're victims that are branded.

If your submerged in a violent culture then you will act in a violent manner.If you love violent music,movies,magizines, and video games then yes you will act in the only way you can though violence.God Bless
Many people enjoy such things without being violent.
 
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Yes.Rejection can play a large part in it.At battleCry events I met alot of troubled teens who were rejected by abusive parents and even self-proclaiming christians.But rejection does not play a part in all cases.Alot of teens just love violent games (GTA,Saints Row,State Of Emergency) and music (Marilyn Manson,Eminem,Metallica) without ever facing rejection.They are the victims in this violent and over-sexualized culture that tries to brand them.They tell the teen's how to dress and whats cool from age 12 they have are already branded by the Corporations, media conglomerates, and purveyors of popular culture that have spent billions to seduce and enslave the youth.God Bless
I don't wanna turn this into another anti-BC thread... because you know what I think of them, and what I hold them responsible for.

What I do want to say though is that this case might be more similar to the VT shooter than to the Columbine shooters, that the kid was just mentally not in it. No Christian jocks attacking them or bullying them around or anything, he was just... plain... nuts. And until more info comes out, I'll stand on that position.

That's all I want to say.
 
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If your submerged in a violent culture then you will act in a violent manner.If you love violent music,movies,magizines, and video games then yes you will act in the only way you can though violence.God Bless
As pointed out earlier, I think you are putting the cart before the horse.
 
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Being submerged in a certain type of social situation does not automatically mean one is part of it or partakes in the stereotype.

It was stated the youth was already troubled from the start due to reasons not disclosed, whether sociological, physiological, psychological or a combination. He apparently lost self-control and wanted to lash out at someone, anyone, whether guilty or innocent, just as any injured animal does when it has been hurt and feels threatened.

Playing certain games or listening to certain types of music doesn't change a person from a nice person into a killer or vice versa. That was there all along.

Listening and singing to religious music doesn't make you a wonderful, good, religious person. Listening and singing to country music doesn't make you a cowboy, cowgirl or country person. Listening and singing to opera/classical doesn't make you a learned intellectual or esteemed socialite. Listening and singing to metal doesn't make you a violent person. Listening and singing to rap doesn't make you a gangster. Life isn't like Final Fantasy X-2 where one can whip on a new outfit and automatically be whatever the outfit represents.

If listening to music caused this boy to kill or changed someone from a killer to a good person, then it would be a standard "treatment" and every prison and jail and rehab center and hospital in the nation would be piping certain types of music through the facilities 24/7 so people would be reformed, changed, healed. There would be ant-smoking music, anti-drinking music, anti-sex music, anti-overeating music, anti-cancer music. There would be music to heal injuries, illnesses. There would be music to make people more responsible, better parents, better kids. (No, I'm not talking about church hymns or christian rock here.)

There is the saying that music calms the savage breast. That is very true. The boy was likely drawn to Manson because it reflected his feelings, thoughts, and mood, not the other way around. Because even I at times do get angry and frustrated at someone or the world and turn on that metal and rock and sing and/or dance with it to get the bad energy out.
 
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"Students said Coon had been suspended for fighting with a classmate over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshiped rocker Marilyn Manson....The Plain Dealer quoted Rasheem Smith, 15, as saying he saw Coon in the bathroom remove his slacks and a red and gray hooded sweatshirt and put on black jeans and Marilyn Manson concert T-shirt....Coon, who was white, stood out in the predominantly black school for dressing in a goth style, wearing a black trench coat, black boots, a dog collar and chains, said 14-year-old student Frances Henderson. She said she often got into arguments with Coon, who once told her, "I got something for you all." Henderson, who is black, said she didn't believe race played a role in the shootings."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-10-school-shooting_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
 
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"Students said Coon had been suspended for fighting with a classmate over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshiped rocker Marilyn Manson....The Plain Dealer quoted Rasheem Smith, 15, as saying he saw Coon in the bathroom remove his slacks and a red and gray hooded sweatshirt and put on black jeans and Marilyn Manson concert T-shirt....Coon, who was white, stood out in the predominantly black school for dressing in a goth style, wearing a black trench coat, black boots, a dog collar and chains, said 14-year-old student Frances Henderson. She said she often got into arguments with Coon, who once told her, "I got something for you all." Henderson, who is black, said she didn't believe race played a role in the shootings."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-10-school-shooting_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
Oh boy...

*leaning towards the Columbine-type and away from the VT-type...*
 
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Look at my second post to know whats behind the underlines.I do not support bullying anyone nor do I feel that people should look down on them.Even the Columbine shooting was influenced by satanic music and other violent "entertainment".But the point is if you listen to violent music,movies,games, and read it,it will sooner or later affect your actions.God Bless

What satanic music was that?
 
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