'Worst anti-christian ad ever'

happydance said:

Can this not be said of every living human? You see homosexuality as sin. Last I heard from any Christian is that everyone sins. Using your logic, this means we all have (and still do) offend the Christian god.

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Yep that's right; no one can live up to God's standards. But that is what Jesus is for; it is because of Jesus' perfection and the sacrifice He made that we can be worthy. Its like if you went to court and owe a big debt, but can't pay it. They are going to send you to jail, but someone runs up and says "Wait! I already paid it!" Then you are free to go. God is good, and He loves us all no matter how much we mess up.

Have an awesome day!

KristiLee said:

My comment was insensitive... thank you for elaborating your perspective. God bless.

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Not a problem at all. The courage to ask questions more than makes up for any initial sentiment. Hold onto that.

"Sticks and stones..."

I certainly don't feel persecuted at all by the ad, nor do I sense any overt bigotry. Who am I to stand in the way of people making fools out of themselves.

Trevorocity said:

Actually Blackandy is semi-correct to use the term "Queer" to describe a broad range of non-heterosexuals. Though clearly he says it with a sneer of hatred and loathing from the pit of his rotted cold heart. At least he is technically being politicaly correct.

Queer denotes more than just an activity and recognizes the inborn differences of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people. Fundie idiots prefer to butcher any news story which uses the word "Gay" to read "Homosexual" as in: "Gay right Movement" - "Homosexual rights movement". This is partly because they are childish morons but mostly because they think "Gay" is a positive term and "Homosexual" is negative and SCARY (ooooooooooooooo) and they can't bear to have to say anything positive about the people they want to kill and hate. Out of the lurv of Jersus of course.

Think I'm stretching a bit? Prove me wrong. Look at any fundy website and its "Homosexual homosexual homosexual homosexual"

But anyway yeah, this ad: not offensive. Manufactured controversy. Clever intelligent queers used the knuckle-dragging neanderthal Fundies to stir up some free press...again. Ho hum.

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I'm not so sure about that. As a gamer I see "gay" is thrown around a lot as a derogative. Homosexual actually feels more neutral to me because it's on the same line as heterosexual. You don't hear people saying "That's so homosexual" instead of "That's so gay"

gengwall said:

"Sticks and stones..."

I certainly don't feel persecuted at all by the ad, nor do I sense any overt bigotry. Who am I to stand in the way of people making fools out of themselves.

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lol... definitely agreed.

BlackAndy said:

...but when religious groups come to San Fran and hold public gatherings that are viewed as an affront to homosexuality the queers come out in force to protest, raise hell, complain, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], moan, and whine.

But all is fair when the queers mock a sacred image and portray it as some S&M scene (knowing good and well they will offend.)

Why the double standard?

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No double standard. Clearly the homosexuals are out of line. Christians may be against their behavior., but they don't resort to such lowball tactics as descecrating sacred images. You should see the stunts the radical homosexuals pull..putting people in leather and bondage in front of crosses, etc..way over the line and shows their perverseness

jamesrwright3 said:

No double standard. Clearly the homosexuals are out of line. Christians may be against their behavior., but they don't resort to such lowball tactics as descecrating sacred images. You should see the stunts the radical homosexuals pull..putting people in leather and bondage in front of crosses, etc..way over the line and shows their perverseness

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Yeah, or when they start prostesting at funerals. Oh wait...

jamesrwright3 said:

No double standard. Clearly the homosexuals are out of line. Christians may be against their behavior., but they don't resort to such lowball tactics as descecrating sacred images. You should see the stunts the radical homosexuals pull..putting people in leather and bondage in front of crosses, etc..way over the line and shows their perverseness

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Please explain to us why people who don't find your symbols sacred should respect them.

SimplyMe, thank you for sharing.

Polycarp1 said:

Huh. This is "the worst anti-Christian ad ever." In other words, running an ad promoting a fair in Sa n Francisco that is something scandalously over-the-top as a parody of a famous painting on a Christian theme, is far worse than the misrepresentation of Christians as blood-drinking cannibal atheists that was circulated in the first three centuries by the powers that were among the pagan establishment.

Don't get me wrong, the ad does disgust me. S&M behavior is completely contrary to the principles of Christian love. Redoing Leonardo's painting as an S&M parody is basically tacky.

But this sort of indignant self-righteous claim of persecution where merely offensive behavior exists is not helping the Christian cause. Rather, it's making us look like vicious hatemongers to those we should be trying to reach. We're coming across, not as those who stoically endure torture for Christ's sake, but as the small child in the back seat calling out, "Mommy! Billy's touching me!" in an effort to try to make trouble for our brother.

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Exactly. It's tacky, rude... but not persecution.

SimplyMe said:

I find myself with a few comments:

First, in other threads it has been brought up how this painting has been used in the last few years: the Simpson's used it, the Soprano's used it for advertising, it's even been satirized in Dilbert (the comic strip). Wikipedia shows a number of ways this painting has been used by our culture, so it seems a little hypocritical that we are only now upset about how this painting is being used.

Second, while many Christians would never dream of ridiculing what is sacred there are people who do it, especially on this board. I think we've all seen threads with various comments about Islam, there are times when sacred things such as Buddha are made fun of. And perhaps the best example of Christians mocking another religion is the way Mormons are often talked about on these boards. A prime example is a thread I stared here in NC&E on a Mormon missionary being murdered. As you'll see from the second post, the thread was closed and cleaned up because every post responding originally bashed Mormonism (and there were close to two pages of them) and made light of the fact that a missionary was murdered. While we do not typically make fun of others religions, I would suspect all of us have at one time or another and some Christians seem to think it is a sport.

Last, I would ask for some understanding. Just as most Christians do not make fun of other religions, most gays do not make fun of Christianity. Further, I think if we took the time to understand these gays, we might understand better some of the hatred of Christianity. As an example, I know a gay man who dislikes Christianity (though he does not mock them). In his case, he was brought up in a "Christian" home. His family attended church Sundays and his parents were well respected and thought to be model Christians by most who attended. The problem was that his mother was physically abusive to her children. In his case, since he was the oldest son, he often made sure he was the one abused so that he protected his sisters.

As he became older, some rumors surfaced about these parents abusing their children. Like is the case, most who knew the parents refused to believe these good Christians were capable of abusing their children and supported the parents. This man, in his late teens now, also was rejected merely for being gay by the same congregation that supported his abusive parents. He ultimately was abandoned by his parents. Since that time, most of his interaction with Christians have been with the people who wish to condemn him for being gay, the ones that seem to find delight in telling him he is going to hell.

Now, while we understand that his story is not typical of Christians, there are many gays that have similar stories of how they have been treated by people who call themselves Christian. It certainly makes it understandable why some of these feel justified in mocking Christianity. And the more we condemn these people without trying to understand them, the more justified they will feel in their hate.

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I think this sums the issue up. By calling every tacky thing "persecution" many Christians are shutting down conversation rather than opening discussion and fellowship.

SallyNow said:

Exactly. It's tacky, rude... but not persecution.



I think this sums the issue up. By calling every tacky thing "persecution" many Christians are shutting down conversation rather than opening discussion and fellowship.

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Hi Sally! Hi all!

Perfect cue for me to apologise here for not having the time, till now, to read this thread since I made the first 3 posts, but I have now

Perfect cue for me to recommend readers to read those first 3 posts - especially 2 Tim 3 & Romans 1:18-32 etc, as that is God's Word

I only posted the OP news item because it instantly reminded me of God's Word about the issues raised

& because it's important for Christians to use every opportunity to present God's Word & point to the way of salvation - as in John 3, Romans 3, Galatians 2:15-16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 www.BibleGateway.org

In God's perfect timing, this news update is examples of the worst kinds of persecution:-


From The Voice of the Martyrs

MYANMAR VOM Calls for Prayer for Christians in Myanmar - VOM Sources

The Voice of the Martyrs is calling on believers around the world to pray for Christians being affected by the continued unrest in Myanmar (Burma).

According to VOM contacts, the government is targeting anyone with influence, and churches have not been spared.

VOM contacts report, "Churches cannot meet. We are quietly meeting in small groups of no more than five to pray for our country. China reports five people have been killed, the British Broadcasting Corporation is saying about 10 have been killed, but our people have seen hundreds of bodies and many more filling the hospitals."

Pray for the protection and safety of Christians in Myanmar.

Pray the Holy Spirit will convict the hearts of the government officials and that the testimony of believers will draw others into fellowship with Christ. Psalm 27:1, Joshua 1:9


INDIA Pastor Attacked and Church Burned in North India - VOM Sources

On September 16, Pastor Virendra and his wife, Bhawana, were attacked by Hindu extremists while on their way to a church meeting. They remain steadfast in their faith and say they will continue holding church services despite the attack.

According to The Voice of the Martyrs' contacts, "The attackers intercepted the pastor's motorcycle and threw him and his wife off and began to beat them with fists, sticks and rocks. One believer who was on his way to the meeting came along the road just as one of the persecutors raised a large rock over the pastor's head, intending to smash his skull."

VOM contacts added, "The believer was able to push the rock backwards, saving the pastor from death. At another point someone was ready to smash [the pastor's] head with a large stick, but his wife intercepted it and he was again saved from death.

Pastor Virendra and his wife were beaten for more than 20 minutes, before they finally escaped.

Praise God, Pastor Virendra and his wife were not severely wounded. Pray for God's protection for Christians in India, who continuously risk their lives for the sake of the gospel. Ask for the Holy Spirit to touch the lives of the persecutors and draw them into the knowledge of Christ. Philippians 4:8, Psalm 118:17


ERITREA Evangelist Arrested - VOM Sources

The Voice of the Martyrs recently received information that Mussie Ezaz, an evangelist in the Kale Hiwot Church of Eritrea, was arrested from his home in the capital city of Asmara, and imprisoned this past week. The evangelist has been in full-time ministry for more than a decade.

Pray God encourages and provides for Ezaz and his family. Ask God to give him boldness in the midst of his suffering and that his testimony will draw non- believers into fellowship with Christ. Romans 8:31, Psalm 91


www.persecution.com

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Ian

Ummm k.

Well I think we can all agree that there are gradations of persecution. This picture would be on the very low-end of the scale (if in fact it should be there at all); inasmuch as satire would be considered "persecution".

So I'm glad someone posted some info from Voice of the Martyrs. Typically the stories they report on are of people with real problems. Not Right-wingers in America who just get their noses bent because people aren't bowing down and licking their boots.

Hi Trev!

Your post reminds me that Jesus consistently came to folk right where they are & often spoke about different degrees of both good & evil - as in Matt 5-7

He famously said that it would be better for Sodom & Gomorrah, at the judgement, than for Chorazin & Bethsaida - towns where folks saw His miracles, heard Him preach, but rejected Him & His message

He consistently sought to pull folk away from going further down the wrong way & encouraged progressing up the strait & narrow way, all the way

He came, not to condemn the world, but to call sinners to repentance & salvation, by the sheer grace of God, thru faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice - as in John 3 & Romans 3 etc, above

Just time to say a mod just pm'd me about 1/2 of my posts in this thread & @ the general differences between News/Current Events Forum & Bible Prophecy/Endtime Forum

Here's my reply, that I will work on to the best of my ability:-


'What hit me, just now, is that news events happen each day that relate very strongly to Bible prophecy, & that fact is news to many folk

Also, that God prophesied endtimes events in great detail, inc the fact of mass media at this time - 'every eye shall see'..'increase of knowledge' etc - precisely because He wants us to use mass media to proclaim the best news of all in every nation, in this generation, to complete the Great Commission & speed His return, as in Matt 24

So linking the news items to the relevant Bible prophecies is the opposite of derailing: it's putting readers on track to realise the true meaning of the confusing events - a track of hope, not despair

I'l do my best to be brief & to link any interested to endtimes forum for more details

I hope that resolves any problems?'


Must go

Back soon, DV

Ian

'Worst anti-christian ad ever'

The ad is nothing compared to the anti-Christian material which was sold at the Folsom Street fair in the congressional district which is home to our Speaker of the House of Representatives. I thought I had seen everything but I hadn't.

Voegelin said:

'Worst anti-christian ad ever'

The ad is nothing compared to the anti-Christian material which was sold at the Folsom Street fair in the congressional district which is home to our Speaker of the House of Representatives. I thought I had seen everything but I hadn't.

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As prophesied in 2 Thessalonians 2 - this climax generation of history does indeed see the increasing 'spirit of antichrist' pave the way for the global tyranny of the Beast/Antichrist of Revelation 13 etc

But, as Jesus said, when He prophesied all kinds of spiritual disasters to worsen - as well as all kinds of natural & social disasters - He said, "When you see these things, don't be afraid..don't be alarmed..trust in God..trust in Me..your salvation is near..even at the door" - see Matt 24 & Luke 21 etc

Just time to say a mod just pm'd me about the general differences between News/Current Events Forum & Bible Prophecy/Endtime Forum

Here's my reply, that I will work on to the best of my ability:-


'What hit me, just now, is that news events happen each day that relate very strongly to Bible prophecy, & that fact is news to many folk

Also, that God prophesied endtimes events in great detail, inc the fact of mass media at this time - 'every eye shall see'..'increase of knowledge' etc - precisely because He wants us to use mass media to proclaim the best news of all in every nation, in this generation, to complete the Great Commission & speed His return, as in Matt 24

So linking the news items to the relevant Bible prophecies is the opposite of derailing: it's putting readers on track to realise the true meaning of the confusing events - a track of hope, not despair

I'l do my best to be brief & to link any interested to endtimes forum for more details

I hope that resolves any problems?'

See also http://foru.ms/t6217087-nanotechno-revelation-1315-18.html

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Ian

Gay guys in leather...it's the end of the world!!!

marblehead said:

Gay guys in leather...it's the end of the world!!!

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Don't be so cynical...or be so cynical.

This is what some fools ACTUALLY believe!

Voegelin said:

'Worst anti-christian ad ever'

The ad is nothing compared to the anti-Christian material which was sold at the Folsom Street fair in the congressional district which is home to our Speaker of the House of Representatives. I thought I had seen everything but I hadn't.

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First off, people don't sell anti-christian material.

Second, the fact that it takes place in the district of the Speaker has no relevance. You act as if a Congress person controls every aspect of their district.

Third, have you ever been to the Folsom Street fair. If you haven't, how can you even lend your opinion as to what goes on there?

Trevorocity said:

Don't be so cynical...or be so cynical.

This is what some fools ACTUALLY believe!

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Straight guys in leather, now that may be the end of the world.

(Since I am straight, I will stay away from leather in the hopes of preserving world stability, although if my girlfriend is really into it I may have to partake and put world stability on the backburner)