Satanism discussion - split from Wiki/Rules Discussion thread

Lindon Tinuviel said:

One thing I would like to add, then I'm going to sleep and will leave you in Greenie's capable hands.

You're a mathematician. You deal with abstract concepts every day.

Think about time. Now imagine eternity. Now consider an eternity of burning.

That's what these people want to save you from.

Whether they're right or wrong about Hell, or about God, or about Satan, they want to save you from what they believe is a very real threat. You, their supposed enemy, they want to help.

That's important, I think. Don't forget that.

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More of a logician, nowadays, but yes. And I understand many forms of infinite and transfinity. And I think your point is important.

Now here's mine:

My motivations are exactly the same. You call it Heaven, we call it YHVH's belly. You call it Hell, we call it a spiritual freehold against your god's attempted coup against every other god and spirit. You call it damnation, we call it a rescue-mission. We believe you to be just as deceived as you consider us. And I, too, feel empathy and compassion for you as you do (or claim you do) for me. Believe it or not, it is my compassion for others that motivates my anger against your patron. I would just be another mage if not for my empathy, if not for my deep conviction (wrought from research, your Bible, and mystical experiences) that you are being eaten and enslaved. You, my "enemy", I want to help.

So, if we are both being motivated by compassion and refusing to see our traditional enemies as enemies, then what does that say? Is that important, too?

Lindon Tinuviel said:

That was uncalled for. Far too personal an attack, even if you do think she's minimalizing your ideas.

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I'm sorry. You have dealt with me with honor. What would you have me change? The entire tone seems the same to me, because it is drenched in my emotional reaction. I will do as you will.

GreenMunchkin said:

I see. The misunderstanding is you want to debate. I have no interest in debating you. I have an interest in the prevention of people led astray by Satan.

Your accusation that I make Christianity look bad is nonsensical, given you despise Christianity. If I confirm all your ideas of what Christianity represents, I'm serving my Lord. Satan hates God, hates Christianity, hates me, hates you, hates hates hates. If Christianity looked beautiful to you, you'd already be in Christ. Which is where He wants you to be.

You seem to feel this is some sort of chess game, or dance. It is neither. We aren't sparring partners; this isn't fun, or jovial, or joshing. It is a battle against principalities, of which you are an advocate and proponent.

That means you are in need of Christ's saving grace; it doesn't mean you are the enemy. It means you're the enemy's messenger. Are you here to learn about your Saviour Jesus? If so, I have all the time in the world to spend with you. Are you here to introduce people to a Satanic order that teaches people how to "become a demon"? If so, I am commanded by my God to come against that principality.

So we're both just messengers, except our sides aren't equal and opposing because God has already won. We know how this ends, and Satan is cast into the lake of fire for all of eternity.

If you're here because you want for Christ to snatch you from that, take my hand and, far more importantly, take His. Otherwise, be here, but leave Satan outside. He has no place here.

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Ah, I see. Well, then we are quite clear. I really hope you are right about how everything works out and all. Have a good life, serve your god well, love well, and die with honor. These are generally the best well-wishes I can give, and I do in all sincerity give them to you. I am sorry if I came across harshly in my fit of pique. We will not speak again.

Wr4ith said:

As I'm typing this I can hear that the Jebediah episode from The Simpsons is on. Coincidence? I think not!

Jeb: I've looked at your profile and searched for the Order of Xeno and I read several of the essays. Then I came back here, noticed you are into mathematics and had to conclude that you are the founder of the Order of Xeno, am I correct? If you don't mind I intend to PM you in a while to ask you some questions concerning some small things. I'm an Occultist( a pretty lazy and uncommitted one but an Occultist nontheless) so don't worry about getting any hate mail or attacks or pitty

I'd say something on topic but... the simpsons are drowning out my thoughts.

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I am quite willing to answer any questions. Be aware that the Order is for 18 and over, only.

ravenscape said:

This isn't my area to moderate, so I'm making a member to member FYI here. Y'all be careful about the appearance of promotion or proselytizing. It's in the eyes of the beholders, and it's a touchy topic.

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How is agreeing to answer questions in PM promotion or proselytizing? Erwin's dictate from above was pretty clear...I am allowed to answer questions, say what religion is, defend my points in debate, etc...I just can't actively promote my religion.

Let them report me. My leash has been made clear. If the rules are going to mean anything, they need to be consistent. I have been getting a lot of this since the decision from Erwin. People have been trying to intimidate me and silence me by stretching the definition of promotion to include posting a joke-pic making fun of Illuminati conspiracy theories...apparently the tin-foil hat people are well-represented around here.

It has been made clear that talking about is not equal to promotion. I am sick of trying to be tricked into self-censoring based on what some mods might "think" is promotion. I know the definition of promotion, so does the dictionary, and it is not discussion of something. Let them report and let their report stand against the inevitable analysis that comes.

So far the only ruling that made me change anything at all was removing a link to my Order's site in a public post. And that was through all of the drama over the last few days. I am within my rights as ERWIN dictated them.

JadeTigress said:

Maybe it's just me, but why should Jeb be gone after any more than any other non-Christian? A lot of Christians tell me that if you don't worship God, you automatically worship Satan. Thus, he is no worse than the rest of us heathens, and all the hassle he's been given is uncalled for.

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I would agree, but there are many who would disagree with you.

But thanks for the sentiment, I can use all the empathy I can get right now...it's been a rough few days since this all started and I'm a little emotionally sore.

PureLove said:

He will be targeted for his intelligence not beliefs
Nothing angers like a cool, calm intelligent mind that doesn't back down or conform. Don't get beat down Jeb, remember they are just words, thoughts
Ironic isnt it u are one of the most awake people I've seen in some time. As for differences of beliefs and fights, well u know, people lol If it isn't that you arent into the cool music or right fashion, always someone who wants to beat you up.
peace and luv always

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Thank you for your kind words.