Why do others think we're going to hell?

Benedicta00 · Sep 20, 2007

Ishida said:
Isn't it in the Catechism or a recent pope verdict?

mmmm...no.

Miss Shelby · Sep 20, 2007

GrannieAnnie said:
I was a Catholic most of my life....then I started to question and found I couldn't believe in the teachings of Catholicism anymore. Suddenly I'm a heretic and I'm going to hell. Why couldn't the Catholics just say...ok, you honestly have changed your views and we respect you for it.....but NO....because I can't believe certain "dogmas" of the faith anymore....I'm in mortal sin....I for one....can't accept Mary being taken bodily into heaven, I don't accept the pope is infalible, I don't accept transubstansiation in the Communion. There are other things too, but they are the first ones that turned me off the church....I can't confess to be sorry for my new beliefs, because I'm not sorry....I don't believe these things anymore.....so for that I'm going to hell...!!!!!

Grannie, if you were a practicing Catholic and you expressed doubts, and then you were subsequently told you were a heretic, right of the bat----then SHAME on whomever said that to you.

If you expressed you were having difficulty accepting dogmas-- and you expressed these thoughts as a Catholic to a Catholic (and especiallly to a priest)--and they told you to just get out--- then I am so sorry. So very sorry that people weren't there for you.

Me, I was different. I expressed emphatically as a Cathoic in 11th grade that I thought nothing was wrong with abortion and didn't know why the Church taught otherwise. Later that night, when I was at work in the evening in the rectory office, Father Dan came in because he'd heard about my opion expression. He tried to explain things to me, but I just ignorantly argued. Finally, he left, his last words to me were "Michelle, I will be praying for you"---- I believe the fruits of his reward-- his praying-- came to fruition 20 years later. But, at that particular time, I was not willing to accept it.

And I can see myself illustrating it-- had I been inclined to----beforehand--- as the Church not accepting ME. And that's because my life, my family life in that time was awful-- and the Church did nothing to intervene. Even though a priest knew of our situation.

I cannot blame the bad things that happened on another human's error to act, even if it was a priest.

But I do KNOW that the prayers of those priests who were so worried about me and my views---helped me immensely. Sometimes, we don't see God's fruits as we'd like to see them. We need to seek God and understand His blessings when He gives them.

Michelle

Andy Broadley · Sep 20, 2007

If you go around telling everyone that yours is the only true church, that other denominations are 'lesser' churches (thats when we can get recogniosed by you as churches), then you can expect to get a bit of flack in return

And that applies equally to those who knock the RCC. We are never gonna agree, and we have top accept that. Doesn't make anyone right or anyone wrong.

makes us different.

And the quicker we learn that and stop taking pot shots at one another, the quicker Christians will learn to live and love as Christ told us to

Benedicta00 · Sep 20, 2007

Andy Broadley said:
If you go around telling everyone that yours is the only true church, that other denominations are 'lesser' churches (thats when we can get recogniosed by you as churches), then you can expect to get a bit of flack in return

And that applies equally to those who knock the RCC. We are never gonna agree, and we have top accept that. Doesn't make anyone right or anyone wrong.

makes us different.

And the quicker we learn that and stop taking pot shots at one another, the quicker Christians will learn to live and love as Christ told us to

I don't know who you have been talking to but i don't tell ppl that.

You see this is a good example, i can say what we believe, correct ppl's misconception till all the cows come home, at the end of the day, it falls on deaf ears.

Andy Broadley · Sep 20, 2007

Benedicta00 said:
I don't know who you have been talking to but i don't tell ppl that.

You see this is a good example, i can say what we believe, correct ppl's misconception till all the cows come home, at the end of the day, it falls on deaf ears.

In the previous post I stressed the word SOME. I t applied to that post also.

As it does to those on the other side of the divide.

There will; ALWAYS be those too biggotted to see and respect the others beliefs, but they are the minority.

Rhamiel · Sep 20, 2007

I was a Catholic most of my life....then I started to question and found I couldn't believe in the teachings of Catholicism anymore. Suddenly I'm a heretic and I'm going to hell. Why couldn't the Catholics just say...ok, you honestly have changed your views and we respect you for it.....but NO....because I can't believe certain "dogmas" of the faith anymore....I'm in mortal sin....I for one....can't accept Mary being taken bodily into heaven, I don't accept the pope is infalible, I don't accept transubstansiation in the Communion. There are other things too, but they are the first ones that turned me off the church....I can't confess to be sorry for my new beliefs, because I'm not sorry....I don't believe these things anymore.....so for that I'm going to hell...!!!!!

I am sorry that people have told you that you are going to hell, what do they know, have they lived your life? no, they do not know what you have been through and to "damn you to hell" is a very unchristian act
what I can say though is that you should believe all these things you said you had trouble with because the Church God gave us teaches these things, there are things I have trouble believing but I trust the Church God gave us more then my flawed human intelect

PureLove · Sep 20, 2007

loststar said:
Exactly why is it that so many other Christian people/groups/writers of those frightening chick tracts/etc. seem to think Catholics are going to go to hell? I don't see it so much with Protestants thinking other denominations of Protestants are going to hell, they just seem to target the Catholics along with the non-Christians...what gives? What did we do wrong?

I think there are just a percentage that want other people to go to hell, even in general. Why II dont know, dark thoughts for whatever reasons. Happens here with Protesants too, like if you are born again Pentecostal only you are saved not Anglicans who don't really like Catholics but only the JWs are right but they are heretics lol
on and on it goes
I think really its just spiritual one upmanship

BAFRIEND · Sep 20, 2007

Andy Broadley said:
You know what? I quit

So, why didn't you ?

Andy Broadley · Sep 20, 2007

BAFRIEND said:
So, why didn't you ?

Because, thankfully, not all catholics are like you

BAFRIEND · Sep 20, 2007

GrannieAnnie said:
I was a Catholic most of my life....then I started to question and found I couldn't believe in the teachings of Catholicism anymore. Suddenly I'm a heretic and I'm going to hell. Why couldn't the Catholics just say...ok, you honestly have changed your views and we respect you for it.....but NO....because I can't believe certain "dogmas" of the faith anymore....I'm in mortal sin....I for one....can't accept Mary being taken bodily into heaven, I don't accept the pope is infalible, I don't accept transubstansiation in the Communion. There are other things too, but they are the first ones that turned me off the church....I can't confess to be sorry for my new beliefs, because I'm not sorry....I don't believe these things anymore.....so for that I'm going to hell...!!!!!

What I stated was the Churches views. You made the vows and you left. That is different from being a protestant and never having been a Catholic.

If you have a problem with it, write the Pope.

Benedicta00 · Sep 21, 2007

Andy Broadley said:
In the previous post I stressed the word SOME. I t applied to that post also.

As it does to those on the other side of the divide.

There will; ALWAYS be those too biggotted to see and respect the others beliefs, but they are the minority.

okay Andy.. you threw out true strawmen in your previous post ... are you willing to stand corrected?

BAFRIEND · Sep 21, 2007

There will; ALWAYS be those too biggotted to see and respect the others beliefs, but they are the minority.

You are right there. A prime example is when one comes onto another's denominational forum and ignores the rules on not advocating against the denominations beliefs.

Apollo Celestio · Sep 21, 2007

Benedicta00 said:
mmmm...no.

Damn i'm dumb, lol.
Thanks.

GrannieAnnie · Sep 21, 2007

Miss Shelby said:
Grannie, if you were a practicing Catholic and you expressed doubts, and then you were subsequently told you were a heretic, right of the bat----then SHAME on whomever said that to you.

If you expressed you were having difficulty accepting dogmas-- and you expressed these thoughts as a Catholic to a Catholic (and especiallly to a priest)--and they told you to just get out--- then I am so sorry. So very sorry that people weren't there for you.

Me, I was different. I expressed emphatically as a Cathoic in 11th grade that I thought nothing was wrong with abortion and didn't know why the Church taught otherwise. Later that night, when I was at work in the evening in the rectory office, Father Dan came in because he'd heard about my opion expression. He tried to explain things to me, but I just ignorantly argued. Finally, he left, his last words to me were "Michelle, I will be praying for you"---- I believe the fruits of his reward-- his praying-- came to fruition 20 years later. But, at that particular time, I was not willing to accept it.

And I can see myself illustrating it-- had I been inclined to----beforehand--- as the Church not accepting ME. And that's because my life, my family life in that time was awful-- and the Church did nothing to intervene. Even though a priest knew of our situation.

I cannot blame the bad things that happened on another human's error to act, even if it was a priest.

But I do KNOW that the prayers of those priests who were so worried about me and my views---helped me immensely. Sometimes, we don't see God's fruits as we'd like to see them. We need to seek God and understand His blessings when He gives them.

Michelle

I was in my 30s when I left the church. I told no one, and no one bothered to take notice.....my "Catholic" husband wasn't particularly worried about going to Mass and eventually...and to this day...he does not go to any church. When I left the Catholics at least I sought out other Christian churches. Within 10 years of leaving the church I divorced and remarried. My heart still belongs to Jesus, and my "new" husband (of 16yrs) and I pray every day and see Jesus working in our lives all the time.....it's just amazing...
I know what Catholics think and believe....I used to be exactly the same...used to defend the faith as strongly as anyone...that's what makes me so sad.....I just can't believe these certain things anymore...and that all happened long before I divorced. At first I was very anti Catholic when I left....but now I just feel sad....very, very sad. But I also believe that Jesus accepts and loves me as I am, and even my Catholic parents can see how Jesus is working strongly in my new life.

anawim · Sep 21, 2007

Andy Broadley said:
If you go around telling everyone that yours is the only true church, that other denominations are 'lesser' churches (thats when we can get recogniosed by you as churches), then you can expect to get a bit of flack in return

The idea that all churches are equally true is the same logic as "all beliefs lead to heaven". I think we can all agree that the later is the heresy of universalism. So if onestatement is incorrect, then they both are incorrect. If one is correct, they are both correct.

Besides, if all churches are the same, then do you want to go to Mass on Sunday?

Andy Broadley · Sep 21, 2007

anawim said:
The idea that all churches are equally true is the same logic as "all beliefs lead to heaven". I think we can all agree that the later is the heresy of universalism. So if onestatement is incorrect, then they both are incorrect. If one is correct, they are both correct.

Besides, if all churches are the same, then do you want to go to Mass on Sunday?

Well first of all, I have not said that all churches are the same. We ARE different in many ways. What I said was that being different does not make us wrong.

"All beliefs lead to heaven"?

Nope

NO beliefs lead to heaven. You can believe whatever you like, it won't get you to Heaven. Only a personal relationship with Jesus will do that.

Would I like to go to Mass on Sunday? Love to brother. It's wonderful to share worship with brothers and sisters in other congregations.

BAFRIEND · Sep 21, 2007

NO beliefs lead to heaven. You can believe whatever you like, it won't get you to Heaven. Only a personal relationship with Jesus will do that.

Can you quote me the term personal relationship as to where it appears or where this is described in the Bible ?

Also, I don't visit other denominational forums, are others being attacked for believing that their Church is the Way ? Because while I understand and respect your arguements against us believing that we are the valid Christian denomination, I do not understand why you feel the need to bring it to our doorstep. This is OBOB, the Catholic Forum, the RCC holds that it is the Church of God and the one that God built upon His Rock. If you do not want to believe that, then that is fine, but if you review the forum rules, you are not allowed to proliferate against our institutions theology in this forum.

stivvy · Sep 21, 2007

Why do others think we're going to hell?

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Well...just look as an outsider at many of the other threads out in OBOB and the stuffiness of those reading them and how judgemental they are....

Andy Broadley · Sep 21, 2007

BAFRIEND said:
Can you quote me the term personal relationship as to where it appears or where this is described in the Bible ?

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the light. No-one comes to the father, except through me"

BAFRIEND said:
Also, I don't visit other denominational forums, are others being attacked for believing that their Church is the Way ? Because while I understand and respect your arguements against us believing that we are the valid Christian denomination, I do not understand why you feel the need to bring it to our doorstep. This is OBOB, the Catholic Forum, the RCC holds that it is the Church of God and the one that God built upon His Rock. If you do not want to believe that, then that is fine, but if you review the forum rules, you are not allowed to proliferate against our institutions theology in this forum.

I spend time in several other denominational forums here on CF and, in general, you do not find this attitude in other places. Of course there are hard line elements in some denominations, and sadly that will always be the case, but this is not a prevelent attitude in other places.

anawim · Sep 21, 2007

Andy Broadley said:
NO beliefs lead to heaven. You can believe whatever you like, it won't get you to Heaven. Only a personal relationship with Jesus will do that.

What passage of Scripture says that all you need to get to heaven is a personal relationship with Jesus?

Scripture says a lot about how we get to heaven, such as believing and being baptized.

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