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LivingLifeHisWay · Sep 10, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
[bible]Matthew 16:24-26[/bible]

Is there anything you cling to that's reaped consequences? If so, what?

I have an addictive personality so I have to be very careful when it comes to anything that can become addicting. Like, tv and the internet.

I have in the past clung to both and have been spritually drained from not communing with God instead. With a lot of prayer, God has helped me control these things although I still struggle from time to time. I do find that when I am not living by the Spirit my life crumbles. Imagine that.

I do love this verse that you have quoted. It tells me that before anything else Jesus MUST be #1 in my life.

GreenMunchkin said:
[bible]Matthew 6:25-26[/bible]

What in your life would change if you took that promise to heart? Conversely, if you have done, are you consciously aware of God providing for your needs?

I do have a story that goes with this question, although, it's not about me but someone who attends my church. Her husband was laid off and she was a stay-at-home mom...money just wasn't coming in. They were struggling. They needed eggs but did not have any money to buy them so the whole family stood around the table holding hands and they prayed. They prayed for eggs. A knock came (and yes this actually DID happen), she opened the door and her neighbour had a BOX (not a carton - a BOX) of eggs for her (he worked at an egg factory---> don't know if that's the correct term

)...they thanked the Lord but laughed and said...now we have too many! God is sooooooo GOOD!

scraparcs · Sep 11, 2007

Greenthumb said:
Been thinking about this and looking at it in a really literal way...reading the first verse:
Maybe what it boils down to is are you doing the will of the Father? Hmm...having asked that...what IS the will of the Father?

GreenMunchkin said:
The other thing is, God *wants* us to be saved, so I can't see there being a load of catches... know what I mean?

Iamredeemed wrote that amazing post about its being both faith and works that save us, because works is the evidence of faith. Once cannot exist without the other. And the faith is in Christ:

[BIBLE]John 14:1-7[/BIBLE]

God has prepared a home for us in Heaven, because He wants so much for us to be with Him for eternity. Jesus has given us our free pass, so we need to have faith in Him, and only Him. If we know by faith that what Jesus has done for us redeems us, we know Him, because what He did for us is who He is; it's why He came.

Jim47 said:
Indeed there is, trust only in Jesus as your Savior and that He paid the price in whole for all your sins.

If we were able to submit enough good works to merit our salvation there would have been no need for a Savior. But God demands perfection and complete redemption, something we could never fulfill.

Ro 4:4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Ro 4:7 "Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."

God knew from all eterninty that man would sin and He also knew that because of His holiness and righteousness that only He could provide the perfect sacrifice for sins. The whole OT posints to Jesus, in all His cermonial laws God points to perfection and He tells man that these man made sacrifices are just pinting to the perfect sacrifice that He would provide. Our Savior

But yet, this is the thing Christians fight over so much - is it faith that saves? Works? Both? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

One thing we do know is that one can be saved at any time. I love the story of the thief on the cross.

Luke 23:39-43 (NIV) said:
39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"

40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."

42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[f]"

43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

Angel4Truth · Sep 11, 2007

lel said:
One thing we do know is that one can be saved at any time. I love the story of the thief on the cross.

The only problem is that most people dont know when they are going to die.

Criada · Sep 11, 2007

Angel4Truth said:
The only problem is that most people dont know when they are going to die. [/SIZE][/FONT]

But God does! And He has made provision for everyone to be saved - if they will accept His gift!

scraparcs · Sep 11, 2007

Angel4Truth said:
The only problem is that most people dont know when they are going to die. [/SIZE][/FONT]

Quite true. I don't mean to point this out to advocate the idea of "live like you want to and then ask for forgiveness on your deathbed" but rather "there's no set amount of works one must necessarily do to be saved."

GreenMunchkin · Sep 11, 2007

Lel said:
Quite true. I don't mean to point this out to advocate the idea of "live like you want to and then ask for forgiveness on your deathbed" but rather "there's no set amount of works one must necessarily do to be saved."

No. There's no quota. That's rather more karmic. But works are just the manifestation of faith. One cannot exist without the other.

Angel4Truth · Sep 11, 2007

Amen greenmunchkin - works wont save anyone but follow naturally to one who has been regenerated through the grace of Jesus Christ .

Greenthumb · Sep 11, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
No. There's no quota. That's rather more karmic. But works are just the manifestation of faith. One cannot exist without the other.

scraparcs · Sep 12, 2007

It's interesting how I think Christians see this concept in pretty similar ways but seem to disagree over the wording of it.

rebel_conservative · Sep 12, 2007

nice thread, lovely idea

hope it is ok if I subscribe

GreenMunchkin · Sep 12, 2007

Lel said:
It's interesting how I think Christians see this concept in pretty similar ways but seem to disagree over the wording of it.

How so, Lelly? :hug:

rebel_conservative said:
nice thread, lovely idea

hope it is ok if I subscribe

Of course it is! Tis *wonderful*

Bananna · Sep 12, 2007

Angel4Truth said:
The only problem is that most people dont know when they are going to die. [/size][/font]

Most brains don't completely stop till days later. What we call dead doesn't necessarily equate to what God calls dead. Is it when the last cell of the body dies or the standard eastern thought of three days after the body dies the spirit leaves. I mean how do people die and come back.

I think that is one reason Yeshua had to die three days to come back really from the grave.

The soul comes from God and returns to him. The hope is to accomplish what our given task was here on earth.

Without obedience to the path God prescribed for us from the foundation of the word we can't presume we are followers of Christ and take his name. I think righteous works and salvation are inseparable.

bananna

GreenMunchkin · Sep 13, 2007

Bananna said:
Without obedience to the path God prescribed for us from the foundation of the word we can't presume we are followers of Christ and take his name. I think righteous works and salvation are inseparable.

bananna

Exactly why it's not enough simply to be a "good person". It's what a lot of non-Christians struggle with, I think. They think God is consigning them to Hell despite their being a "good person". Not true!

GreenMunchkin · Sep 13, 2007

[bible]Luke 2:19[/bible]

[bible]Luke 2:51[/bible]

I was reading Luke last night, and something struck me. Do you think Mary was Luke's main source of information? I mean, we know he travelled with Paul, resulting in Acts, but do you think his gospel was written with Mary's help?

Assuming Mary was around 13 when Jesus was born, it's absolutely conceivable she was still alive when Luke was writing. She also could have told him everything years before his writing it. But her storing the memories in her heart... only she could tell him that, no?

Bananna · Sep 13, 2007

There are two theories I know of on the book of Luke. One states that the Luke writing was Apostle Luke. The other says that it was a later follower of the same name.

It could be that Mary was a primary source from these verses. Certainly supports the primary theory.

Bananna

FallingWaters · Sep 14, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
[bible]Luke 2:19[/bible]

[bible]Luke 2:51[/bible]

I was reading Luke last night, and something struck me. Do you think Mary was Luke's main source of information? I mean, we know he travelled with Paul, resulting in Acts, but do you think his gospel was written with Mary's help?

Assuming Mary was around 13 when Jesus was born, it's absolutely conceivable she was still alive when Luke was writing. She also could have told him everything years before his writing it. But her storing the memories in her heart... only she could tell him that, no?

I agree with you that only Mary knew those things.
It's likely that Luke investigated it for himself and interviewed Mary, or got Mary's story second hand, from someone reliable.

rebel_conservative · Sep 15, 2007

Bananna said:
Most brains don't completely stop till days later. What we call dead doesn't necessarily equate to what God calls dead. Is it when the last cell of the body dies or the standard eastern thought of three days after the body dies the spirit leaves. I mean how do people die and come back.

I think that is one reason Yeshua had to die three days to come back really from the grave.

that is very interesting...
why do Jews bury their dead as soon as possible - I think it is certainly within three days?

I think righteous works and salvation are inseparable.

I agree, they go hand in hand, but I don't think that good works are a necessary requirement of salvation.

GreenMunchkin said:
[bible]Luke 2:19[/bible]

[bible]Luke 2:51[/bible]

I was reading Luke last night, and something struck me. Do you think Mary was Luke's main source of information? I mean, we know he travelled with Paul, resulting in Acts, but do you think his gospel was written with Mary's help?

Assuming Mary was around 13 when Jesus was born, it's absolutely conceivable she was still alive when Luke was writing. She also could have told him everything years before his writing it. But her storing the memories in her heart... only she could tell him that, no?

I think that those writing the Gospels must have had first-hand accounts of what they were writing, which is also partly why they would have been accepted, they would have been seen as reliable by the community because their knew the source.

but either way, I guess Luke's writing was ultimately inspired by the Holy Spirit.

JPPT1974 · Sep 15, 2007

Mary knew those things that
Were revealed to her by God
Though they didn't make sense to her
In the beginning, it all worked out for her.

Bananna · Sep 15, 2007

rebel_conservative said:
that is very interesting...
why do Jews bury their dead as soon as possible - I think it is certainly within three days?

I agree, they go hand in hand, but I don't think that good works are a necessary requirement of salvation.

The body returns to dust. It is not preserved but put in a wood box and is not cremated. I'm not Jewish though, I'm Messianic Gentile. Only about 5 years in serious study of Torah and the Traditions, so you would probably want to consult a Jewish source for more specific information.
I think righteous deeds are evidence of the spiritual state. One who is saved will have the evidence of the HolySpirit spilling out of his/her life overflowing to others.
So I think we agree no amount of works saves, we come as broken vessels to the Lord.

bananna

scraparcs · Sep 16, 2007

I keep thinking that we need to look at not what we think, but what the Bible says regarding salvation.

Yet when I do that, I find support both for salvation of faith only by grace and of works flowing from that. It's so frustrating.

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