Homosexuality isn't a sin, nor is gay marriage (2)

davedjy said:

Strange (heteros) flesh, it was talking about going after the Angelic visitors that came to earth.

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You might be able to fit that one in if the angels weren't already there to destroy Sodom. You can't say that Sodom was destroyed because the people wanted to have sex with the angels that were sent there to destroy it.

livingword26 said:

You might be able to fit that one in if the angels weren't already there to destroy Sodom. You can't say that Sodom was destroyed because the people wanted to have sex with the angels that were sent there to destroy it.

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Ezekiel makes it clear why "specifically" they were destroyed, and there isn't a specific reference to homosexuality in Ezekiel, which is the ONLY place where it says what their sin was and why they were destroyed. The City was destroyed because there weren't at least 10 righteous people found there. This is not because the whole city was full of homosexuals.

davedjy said:

You have YET to bring a loving, monogamous same sex relationship to be condemned from the Scriptures. Everything else you bring to the table is from your commentary, straight to this forum.

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There is no such animal. Loving and monogamous suggests true love, which it is not, as it is forbidden, and monogamous suggests marriage, which it is noit, as it is foridden

Instead of going on about what you think the Bible omits (which it doesn't), why don't you take your own advice and show us all where God blesses the homosexual union?

This oughta be good.

Waiting...

davedjy said:

Ezekiel makes it clear why "specifically" they were destroyed, and there isn't a specific reference to homosexuality in Ezekiel, which is the ONLY place where it says what their sin was and why they were destroyed. The City was destroyed because there weren't at least 10 righteous people found there. This is not because the whole city was full of homosexuals.

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Ezekiel is indeed true, as is Jude. No one said that the whole city was full of homosexuals, but it is indeed one of the reasons, along with heterosexual immorality, and sin in general, that the city was destroyed. The scripture shows all these things.

Jud 1:7
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Floatingaxe said:

There is no such animal. Loving and monogamous suggests true love, which it is not, as it is forbidden, and monogamous suggests marriage, which it is noit, as it is foridden

Instead of going on about what you think the Bible omits (which it doesn't), why don't you take your own advice and show us all where God blesses the homosexual union?

This oughta be good.

Waiting...

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You haven't proven that all forms of homosexuality are "forbidden" to start. Homosexual relationships were not part of the historical culture, we don't have an example of one blessed or cursed. We could just take the principles of God's love and see if they apply...and obviously they can and do.

God does not make arbitrary rules, and the best thing for a gay or lesbian is to live their life out as a gay or lesbian (says all credible mental health foundations). I will believe that over some of your so-called commentary and interpretations of the Bible that do not hold water.

Over 450 vertebrate species are born gay, bi, lesbian or transgender...so do they have demons, too Floatingaxe? ignorance goes along way w/these religious beliefs...

davedjy said:

Just because it was done more recently does not properly refute it.

Weak arguments? I have brought many VERY CREDIBLE arguments from actual scholars such as Walter Wink and Remert Truluck.
None of which are "weak"...

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It is recent, because Satan's going down soon and he knows it. This is his last kick at the can before the King comes and kicks his ass.

Sorry, but Walter is the "weak Wnk"!!

And Truluck is just plain "outta luck"!!

livingword26 said:

Ezekiel is indeed true, as is Jude. No one said that the whole city was full of homosexuals, but it is indeed one of the reasons, along with heterosexual immorality, and sin in general, that the city was destroyed. The scripture shows all these things.

Jud 1:7
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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Again, what does this have to do with a monogamous same sex relationship? this has nothing to do with all gay or lesbian relationships being condemned.

Floatingaxe said:

It is recent, because Satan's going down soon and he knows it. This is his last kick at the can before the King comes and kicks his ass.

Sorry, but Walter is the "weak Wnk"!!

And Truluck is just plain "outta luck"!!

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Says your "uneducated opinion".

Translation to translation those words are inconsistent, so you are proving more and more just how lacking your education is on this subject.

davedjy said:

You haven't proven that all forms of homosexuality are "forbidden" to start. Homosexual relationships were not part of the historical culture, we don't have an example of one blessed or cursed. We could just take the principles of God's love and see if they apply...and obviously they can and do.

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The bible says homosexuality is a sin. It is you who fails to prove that some are and some aren't. The so called "clobber verses" are verse in the bible that say homosexuality is a sin.

God does not make arbitrary rules, and the best thing for a gay or lesbian is to live their life out as a gay or lesbian (says all credible mental health foundations). I will believe that over some of your so-called commentary and interpretations of the Bible that do not hold water.

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It is pretty obvious that God made man and women to be together both physically as well as in a support role. Genesis outlines that clearly. Gods rule against homosexuality is on arbitrary in the least. It merely states that we are to exist as He designed us to be. Just because we are in bondage to a sin, does not mean that sin is no longer a sin, no matter what your "credible mental health foundations" say. God can, and does deliver homosexuals from this bondage.

Over 450 vertebrate species are born gay, bi, lesbian or transgender...so do they have demons, too Floatingaxe? ignorance goes along way w/these religious beliefs...

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When man fell, he took the whole of creation with him.

Gen 3:17
(17) And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Rom 8:22
(22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

davedjy said:

Again, what does this have to do with a monogamous same sex relationship? this has nothing to do with all gay or lesbian relationships being condemned.

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Again, you have failed to prove that a certain type of homosexual relation is not sinful, the bible just specifies homosexuality in general.

Jud 1:7
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

davedjy said:

It says "all the men, both young and old surrounded the house". So you are saying they were all homosexuals? you want me to believe something that does not make any sense, only a small minority of the population has ever been homosexual, and that goes all the way back to the early years.

Again, you cannot use this story to condemn all forms of homosexuality, such as the only important one...a monogamous relationship.

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If God tells us ALL of them were there clamouring for the male angels, then that tells me that Sodom was extremely vile and that is why God nuked them.

Now THAT makes great sense!

Monogamous relationship? That is a contrivance that God surely laughs at!




Me too.

davedjy said:

That is not the same passage, nice way to dodge my post.

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Dodging is your specialty. Teaching is mine.

davedjy said:

You haven't proven that all forms of homosexuality are "forbidden" to start. Homosexual relationships were not part of the historical culture, we don't have an example of one blessed or cursed. We could just take the principles of God's love and see if they apply...and obviously they can and do.

God does not make arbitrary rules, and the best thing for a gay or lesbian is to live their life out as a gay or lesbian (says all credible mental health foundations). I will believe that over some of your so-called commentary and interpretations of the Bible that do not hold water.

Over 450 vertebrate species are born gay, bi, lesbian or transgender...so do they have demons, too Floatingaxe? ignorance goes along way w/these religious beliefs...

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There is only ONE form of homosexual--disobedient and perverse. If you desire to liken yourself to some lower life form, God is going to let you.

As for me, I am a child of the King, a creation of God, just a little lower than the angels.

Still waiting! Come on...where's your proof from God's Word??? http://pichostonline.com/

davedjy said:

Says your "uneducated opinion".

Translation to translation those words are inconsistent, so you are proving more and more just how lacking your education is on this subject.

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More name calling I see

Indeed, now we have 2 reasons

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Yep, attempting to rape the angels and not helping the poor. That still leaves "it's because of homosexuals!" out in the cold.
tulc(needs some more coffee)

Floatingaxe said:

There is only ONE form of homosexual--disobedient and perverse. If you desire to liken yourself to some lower life form, God is going to let you.

As for me, I am a child of the King, a creation of God, just a little lower than the angels.

Still waiting! Come on...where's your proof from God's Word???

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I'm still trying to figure out how I am perverse.

Kind of like how I'm trying to figure out how I'm a witch for putting magic into the fictional fantasy book I'm writing.

TheFathersDaughter said:

I'm still trying to figure out how I am perverse.

Kind of like how I'm trying to figure out how I'm a witch for putting magic into the fictional fantasy book I'm writing.

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Read the bible, it's all there. But first look up the meaning of the word perverse.

NewGuy101 said:

Read the bible, it's all there. But first look up the meaning of the word perverse.

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The dictionary gives human definitions. Hence why it doesn't classify evolutionism as a religion.

TheFathersDaughter said:

I'm still trying to figure out how I am perverse.

Kind of like how I'm trying to figure out how I'm a witch for putting magic into the fictional fantasy book I'm writing.

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Why waste time trying to figure it out? Adam freely admitted to his sin. You can also. It's an act of SUBMISSION to God. I see that is a hard concept to swallow on these boards...

Intellectualizing is a tool of the enemy.

Job 22:21
“Submit to God, and you will have peace; then things will go well for you.

2 Chronicles 30:8
Do not be stubborn, as they were, but submit yourselves to the Lord. Come to his Temple, which he has set apart as holy forever. Worship the Lord your God so that his fierce anger will turn away from you.

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Floatingaxe said:

Why waste time trying to figure it out? Adam freely admitted to his sin. You can also. It's an act of SUBMISSION to God. I see that is a hard concept to swallow on these boards...

Intellectualizing is a tool of the enemy.

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Because if I can't figure out how I am something or if I am something how can I submit to it? I always thought stupidity was the tool of the enemy. That's a little more rampant in the secular world in any case. I do submit to God. Hence why I don't trust anything created by man, hence why I question the Bible which has been in the hands and left at the mercy of man.