If Jesus is the TRUE God, who is his SON Jesus?

Originally posted by OldShepherd
Your statement makes absolutely no sense at all.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

In this verse the “Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost bear record in heaven” In the next verse “the Spirit, the water, and the blood” bear witness in the earth.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: And these three agree in that one.

The one that the three on earth agree in, is the “one” mentioned in verse seven, because there is an “and”. You can quote all the verses you want to but that is what these two verses say. Now the problem for you is to make this verse agree with your doctrine as the “true first century church” did.

Cyprian 250 AD Treatise I On The Unity of the church.
The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one." And does any one believe that this unity which thus comes from the divine strength and coheres in celestial sacraments, can be divided in the Church, and can be separated by the parting asunder of opposing wills? He who does not hold this unity does not hold God's law, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation.

Click (here) to link to Cyprian’s Treatise I , On the Unity of the church.

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

”This is the witness”, what was just written in the preceding two verses, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one and the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: agree in that one. This is the witness, singular, one, not “these”, which God has testified of His Son.


If you were a member of the only true church you wouldn’t constantly be insulting people. I cannot help it if you refuse to acknowledge what the Bible actually says in the original languages.

I have tried to tell you but you refuse to listen, all languages have rules, just like Tagalog. “Salamat does not mean “paalam" and “paalam" does not mean “Salamat" When you speak Tagalog you follow the rules so people will understand you and know what you are talking about. When Peter, Paul, John and all the others wrote Greek they followed the grammar rules, precisely, they meant what they said and they said what they meant,. It was absolutely critical because they were writing revelation from God and could not make even one mistake.

But you want to disregard those grammar rules and you have to rely on several different conflicting translations to make the Bible it say what you want it too.


Read the rest of the Bible. 1 John 5:20. The rules of grammar here are very clear John is calling Jesus the true God.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


I was not the one adding to and twisting these verses as I clearly showed before. I will answer this on a separate post. Again the only way you can make these verses say what you want is to ignore what is written.


Twisting scriptures again. The subject of this verse is God not “manifestation”. God, not a manifestation, was manifested in the flesh. “God” is the subject and “manifested in the flesh” is a predicate clause. Just like someone might say, “The dog is brown, short, and dirty”. Dog is the subject not brown. “The dog is short” not “the brown is short”. But that is exactly the way you are trying to distort this verse to make it say what you want. God is the subject and there are six predicate clauses that describe God. Who is the only one which all six clauses describe?

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, (God was) justified in the Spirit, (God was) seen of angels, (God was) preached unto the Gentiles, (God was) believed on in the world, (God was) received up into glory.


You keep repeating John 8:40 and 17:3 because you say that Jesus said He was a man and the Father was the only true God. Why are you quoting Paul and deliberately ignoring what Jesus said now? Why did Paul write that God is invisible and cannot be seen when Jesus had already said at least four times that God had been seen and would be seen from now on? You are so blinded by your false blasphemous doctrine that you ignore scripture and call Jesus a liar!

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

”He has seen the father.” he which is of God, Jesus, whom heretics, like Ed and the Iglesias ni Manalo, say is “only” a man, “has seen the Father.”

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

”Henceforth”, i.e. “from now on”, you have seen Him, i.e. the Father. But Jesus must be wrong because ED posted some verses where Paul said that God was invisible.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father;

Those who have seen Jesus, have seen the Father. Notice Jesus does not say an “image”, ”shadow”, “manifestation” etc, but they have seen the Father.

John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Jesus said, “they have. . . seen. . .my Father” The teaching of Ed/Iglesias ni Manalo is based on one or two twisted, out-of-context, verses. In the above verses, written by John, Jesus very clearly states that God, the Father, has been and will continue to be seen! Is Jesus right? Or is Ed and his false church, Iglesias ni Manalo?

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Originally posted by thenjduke
I do not know if this is going to help matters any but for me to understand the trinity I took myself apart like this. First of all I have flesh which is part of me. Second I have feelings and thoughts which is part of me. Third I have a soul which is part of me. Now put all these things together that makes me. If I did not have one of these things I would not be living. So I looked at it this way. The trinity has 3 parts as well as I do. I took those three parts one being flesh = Jesus. Two being feelings which is God. Three is my soul which is the holy spirit. This is not to say it is true it just something I could refer to the trinity with and have a better understanding.

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