How Do You Justify Mary Being Perfectly Sinless and Selfless Always?

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spiritualwoman

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Not come see me again, for we will all be resurrected together. When we are resurrected together, those that receive rewards return with Christ (Jude 14,15), while those who lose the rewards of reigning will be in outer darkness, which has no fire or furnace about it.
 
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I'm still not seeing how that conforms to what Jesus said. You're still shifting what Jesus said around to fit what you want it to fit.

"Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

is not the same as

"Then I will tell them plainly, you guys are saved, but you don't get any rewards. Go stay in outer darkness for 1000 years, then I'll come resurrect you."

I'm just going by what the Bible says. The King James version says pretty much the same thing. Maybe someone who knows Hebrew can point out what Jesus' exact words are, so it will be clearer to both of us.
 
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There were two rocks mentioned. Petra and Petros. The Rock spoken of for the Church is the large one which is Christ, not the small petros. Thats how I read the verse and my friends agree. It is good to pray for others, not to pray for those who are already dead. Praying for them will do nothing. They await resurrection and judgment at judgment seat before the 1000 years or at Great White Throne after the 1000 years.

The kingdom is in the future that is being spoken of. The kingdom has 3 aspects: todays outward conduct, the reign in the 1000 years and todays outward appearances. Since this verse is talking about entering the kingdom it is talking about the second usage of the 1000 year reign. Most Bible versions say iniquity, not as harsh as evildoers. Now since these are Christians and you can be born-again only once, then it is a loss of rewards of reigning in the 1000 years. Christians are capable of iniquity.
Not another self-proclaimed Greek expert. Tell me, how many years have you been studying Greek? Who is your teacher? What are his/her credentials?
 
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