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Above is the description for the word "Echad", as you can see it is joining a compound into one. This is #259 in the hebrew lexicon (Strongs), We also have the word "Achad" (#258) which in fact means simple, "one".
Echad occurs hundreds of times in the hebrew literally, so finding 2 that seem to not mean more than one is no huge matter, since Echad and Achad so closely resemble one another. This could be attibuted to ancient spelling errors OR it could be something else....
Lets look at Ecceliastes first
Ecc 4:8 There is 03426 one 0259 [alone], and [there is] not a second 08145; yea, he hath neither child 01121 nor brother 0251: yet [is there] no end 07093 of all his labour 05999; neither is his eye 05869 satisfied 07646 with riches 06239; neither [saith he], For whom do I labour 06001, and bereave 02637 my soul 05315 of good 02896? This [is] also vanity 01892, yea, it [is] a sore 07451 travail 06045.
First of all Solomon MAY in fact be saying, "There are MANY INDIVIDUALS who have no second companion, he is alone. He has no brother no child yet he never stops working. He cant get rich enough or set back enough and always wants more, and he wants everything he sees. He doesnt stop to ask himself why am i grinding away and not enjoying anything? This is empty and a terribly miserable life.
Indeed we know it is true there ARE many individuals who are alike in this manner... they are ONE type though they are many in number.
This is what i believe Solomon is trying to get across. The world is full of people like this.
Your second example is
Deu 17:6 At the mouth 06310 of two 08147 witnesses 05707, or three 07969 witnesses 05707, shall he that is worthy of death 04191 be put to death 04191 ; [but] at the mouth 06310 of one 0259 witness 05707 he shall not be put to death 04191 .
Here it could very well be a simillar case where Moses writes that in CASES (bringing in the plurality of 1) where we only have one witness, the accused cannot be prosecuted. If this is the case, and it makes perfect sense, there is no descrepency whatsoever.
Even if one of the other above mentioned factors are at work here however, 2 cased out of hundreds is no big deal and easitly accepted. However i do believe that both of these instances still show a pluralitry of one as shown here.
One thing i find interesting is that when God gathered the seas and made one land to appear, the word echad is used here as well, which is extremely interesting since the ancients likely were not aware of continental drift. Yet we do know that there was once a composite single land mass which eventually broke apart and began to drift,
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Since when is standing for a biblical standard kicking someone.
Sounds rather complacent NOT to stand for what we believe dont you think?
What if we had no mathematical standards and you were ridiculed for standing on one plus one is two?
This crap about a christian not being allowed to stand because we have to be doormats is going to take over this board and you wont have anything here but compromisers if this keeps up, the rest will either leave out of disgust or be banned for standing for principles and standards
I dont mean any of this harshly but excuse me for being straightforward, this WAS a christian board and this is what i am compelled to stand for
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I cannot agree with dropping the use of Christian Forums.
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Amen
And let me say this...
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Mr that wont work because soon the site wont be available throughout the world - see this http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37920352&postcount=1
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Im afraid you wont like my post but i dont post this with hostility... i DO post it in confusion and some anger and offence. I will also be forthcoming about not just what i feel but what MANY... a large percentage of people here feel EVEN SOME nonbelievers.
You may not like what i am saying here but you can count it is straightforward and true. You dont have rabble rousers here , you brought it on by your own moves and by all the inconsistancies you have displayed, beginning with the removal of the nicene creed after promising it would always be a part of this site, going on to the majority concerning the name, and now this,
All i can do is shaky my head and wonder what in God's name is going on with this? You say this is not financially motivated but all the apparent dishonesty and all the surprises and your lack of communication here is awfully suspicious.
There are many Christians here with many 10s of thousands of posts who have investede a lot of time effort and money here, and i have to wonder if youre stringing them along to lose as little as possible while you secularize this board all together, if not worse. You OWE these people an explanation if you want their further support, and out of respect for all they have put into being here.
All the vagueness is dark dark dark and its just plain wrong.
You want to reserve a thread for this or that, fine under normal circumstances but this isnt a normal circumstance is it?
Because you remove the nicene creed the UU's are accepted as christians now and we have no defining standard by which we can stand together as christians saying this is a christian and this is not. This will COST souls and you ought to be a smart enough man to know this.
Now too because of lax rules non christians can post anywhere they want blaspheming God with impunity, and you mayt try to deny this but beastt was blaspheming God in THE ANNOUNCEMENTS forum of all places WITH IMPUNITY and even taken up for by one of the newer mods.
The dishonesty, misleading avoidance and silence needs to stop and these things need to be openly addressed.
If youll note the last few days your numbers have been down by a third but you are getting new atheistic subscribers as christiaqns leave in packs. I have to ask is THIS your vision? And will those of us standing asking for integrity, honesty, christian standards and reverting back to some semblance of order, be banned for our stand?
Youll have nothing here but nonbelievers apostates, heretics and compromisers and any SEEKER will be fair game for satan. Take heed brother this is the truth. If you dont want this consider what i am saying. If its what you want feel free to ban me now and better yet just tell us and i will leave willingly.
I hope you think and pray and i hope you are forthcoming.
God bless
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I ... feel so cheated by Erwin.
I had been here since the day this forum started.
This forum was something for me back in the day when I am a new christian.
But this compromise... is too much.
I had been here since the day this forum started.
This forum was something for me back in the day when I am a new christian.
But this compromise... is too much.
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I have to agree, this sounds really odd to me too. The reasoning doesn't even make sense imo.
Maybe there IS another motive going on that no one is being made aware of, we've already seen some strange things with this drastic change.
Color me kooky, but WE ALREADY COULD INVITE ANYONE WE WANTED (errgo, the little "referral" counts where we invited a person who joined!)
What makes Erwin think that purposely removing this forum from search engines would make it easier to INVITE people?
**Further, I DID INVITE A GIRLFRIEND OF MINE HERE WHO DID JOIN, AND I'M GLAD SHE DIDN'T GET REAL ACTIVE, CUZ THIS WHOLE THING WOULD MAKE ME EMBARRASED THAT I INVITED HER.
MOST CHRISTIANS WON'T INVITE OTHER CHRISTIANS WITH THIS NEW FORMAT & VISION - VERY MANY DISLIKE IT, AND IT'S CAUSED THEM TO JOIN NEW BOARDS.
Wouldn't you stay on searches TO GAIN MORE people if you wanted more to come in?????????????
Is there something more special about the INVITED PEOPLE than the regular people walking in off the streets?
This is WIERD and something sounds really fishy with all this. It lacks simple common sense imo.
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uH... I hate to tell you this, BUT THE FACT THAT IT DENOTES 'COMPOUND UNITY' JUST ONE TIME, IS ENOUGH TO ESTABLISH THE FACT!
What a twisted form of reasoning - which to me denotes a bias. "Because it doesn't appear EVERY single time the word is used, then we must discount and ignore the fact that it DOES 99% of the time???"
If the Bible calls Christ, "God" just ONE TIME, THEN HE IS GOD!~
Trying to use methodology of tallying up the times He is NOT called God (purposefully I might add - because the Bible is purposely relaying that He is one of the 3 and unique with a different position - that He is not also the Father and Spirit -Modalism- It's defining and declaring the Trinity, not denying it!), doesn't support any assertions that He IS NOT.
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well said!Amen
And let me say this...
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Originally Posted by Angel4Truth
Mr that wont work because soon the site wont be available throughout the world - see this http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37920352&postcount=1
Amen
Erwin
Im afraid you wont like my post but i dont post this with hostility... i DO post it in confusion and some anger and offence. I will also be forthcoming about not just what i feel but what MANY... a large percentage of people here feel EVEN SOME nonbelievers.
You may not like what i am saying here but you can count it is straightforward and true. You dont have rabble rousers here , you brought it on by your own moves and by all the inconsistancies you have displayed, beginning with the removal of the nicene creed after promising it would always be a part of this site, going on to the majority concerning the name, and now this,
All i can do is shaky my head and wonder what in God's name is going on with this? You say this is not financially motivated but all the apparent dishonesty and all the surprises and your lack of communication here is awfully suspicious.
There are many Christians here with many 10s of thousands of posts who have investede a lot of time effort and money here, and i have to wonder if youre stringing them along to lose as little as possible while you secularize this board all together, if not worse. You OWE these people an explanation if you want their further support, and out of respect for all they have put into being here.
All the vagueness is dark dark dark and its just plain wrong.
You want to reserve a thread for this or that, fine under normal circumstances but this isnt a normal circumstance is it?
Because you remove the nicene creed the UU's are accepted as christians now and we have no defining standard by which we can stand together as christians saying this is a christian and this is not. This will COST souls and you ought to be a smart enough man to know this.
Now too because of lax rules non christians can post anywhere they want blaspheming God with impunity, and you mayt try to deny this but beastt was blaspheming God in THE ANNOUNCEMENTS forum of all places WITH IMPUNITY and even taken up for by one of the newer mods.
The dishonesty, misleading avoidance and silence needs to stop and these things need to be openly addressed.
If youll note the last few days your numbers have been down by a third but you are getting new atheistic subscribers as christiaqns leave in packs. I have to ask is THIS your vision? And will those of us standing asking for integrity, honesty, christian standards and reverting back to some semblance of order, be banned for our stand?
Youll have nothing here but nonbelievers apostates, heretics and compromisers and any SEEKER will be fair game for satan. Take heed brother this is the truth. If you dont want this consider what i am saying. If its what you want feel free to ban me now and better yet just tell us and i will leave willingly.
I hope you think and pray and i hope you are forthcoming.
God bless
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Wat Erwin meant is that, with that his vision is to involve non-Christians aswell. Changing domain name would cause lesser traffic for sometime because google now has to get used to the new one. For now, Foru.ms will only get members through invitations. But that wouldn't be the case in future. Foru.ms will become popular again.
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I think you misunderstood Erwin. He didn't intend to make this site disappear from search engines, it's just that with a name and url change, it automatically stops appearing there in the first results, just as if Erwin started a new website. But with time it will start appearing in search results again.
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I don't see how or why it will become popular again. I have read through this entire thread and every other thread I have found on the issue. I have not found a single point in favour of changing the forum's name. I have tried as hard as I can to understand where Erwin is coming from, and failed.
I do not see where any good, of any possible kind, can come from this change of name. Christians will desert, and then atheists will as well (because they only come here to debate with Christians, and if the Christians leave, the atheists might as well go to myspace or any one of the bazillion other secular forms that this site will merge into).
Bad move. Big mistake, for every supporter of the forum, be they Christian or atheist.
Oh, and to not refund supporters' money (when those supporters donated to ChristianForums, not Foru.ms) is borderline fraudulent.
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I have skimmed back through and read what Erwin said and it is still not an answer to are you going to turn the site back to Cjhristian Forums or will you in the face of the majority wanting that keep it the same? As youi come on and read this I think that by the end of the day today we should get together to discuss Erwins answer and our options or his laxck of answer and our options. I for one do not think this should drag on and on waiting for an answer to a simple question or on Erwins side that it will settle down and go away because it will not.
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