Why should I belong to YOUR denomination?

The Bible is Right · Sep 13, 2002

Originally posted by \o/
Should each of us have scriptural reasons for belonging to a specific denomination rather than all of the others?

Is one as good as another in the eyes of the Lord?

1.Yes, we should have a bible answer for everything, and all that we do in the name of the Lord.  (Rom.14:23b).  What soever is not of faith is sin.  Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

2. No, Study church history and you will see.  Then go the bible in Matt. 16:13-19 Jesus promised to build his church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.  That's why it's still here today, and I know there's one where you live.  Romans 16:16 Look them up in your yellow pages.

\o/ · Sep 13, 2002

"Churches of Christ" are considered cultic by many Christians. Are you of the "no instrumental music" crowd? Of the "must have the 'Lord's supper' on the 'Lord's Day'" crowd? You may not call the "Churches of Christ" a denomination, but it most certainly has a set of doctrines and practices that differ from other Christian bodies. Do not the "Churches of Christ" consider all others as not Christian?

Warrior4Jah · Sep 30, 2002

*shrugs* Less than 100 words... does it matter? Hey, we're all runnin the same race right?

ZiSunka · Oct 1, 2002

Tell me in less than 100 words why should a Christian join the church denomination that you fellowship with, instead of another one.

You shouldn't. You shouldn't join any denomination, you should make yourself a follower of Jesus Christ, then attend the church of your choice, no matter what denomination it is.

Caedmon · Oct 1, 2002

Originally posted by lambslove
You shouldn't. You shouldn't join any denomination, you should make yourself a follower of Jesus Christ, then attend the church of your choice, no matter what denomination it is.

But what if that denomination's beliefs contradict your own personal convictions? Is it possible to join a church whose denomination doesn't contradict any of one specific individual's beliefs? If so, then which denomination would that be, and what are the criteria that were used for determining that?

ZiSunka · Oct 2, 2002

But what if that denomination's beliefs contradict your own personal convictions? Is it possible to join a church whose denomination doesn't contradict any of one specific individual's beliefs? If so, then which denomination would that be, and what are the criteria that were used for determining that?

Why would you choose a church that contradicts what you know is right?? :scratch:

ZiSunka · Oct 2, 2002

Not all churches are denominational, either, you know.

DaveKerwin · Oct 2, 2002

go to a church where people love and follow God, forget denominational stuff. there is nothing more to talk about.

Caedmon · Oct 2, 2002

Originally posted by lambslove
Why would you choose a church that contradicts what you know is right??

That's just it... how do you find a church that matches absolutely with your personal beliefs, without starting your own?

Caedmon · Oct 2, 2002

Originally posted by lambslove
Not all churches are denominational, either, you know.

Then perhaps your definition of denominational is different from mine.

SpiritPsalmist · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by humblejoe
That's just it... how do you find a church that matches absolutely with your personal beliefs, without starting your own?

Well . . . I think we ought to ask God where He wants us to go and then go.

Going to a church just because it fits all our "personal criteria" means going to a church which will not teach us anything but what we already believe.  I want to go to a church that challenges me to think.  That causes me to search the scriptures.

I currently attend a non-denominational church.  I attend there because I was referred there by denomiational pastors and when I visited the Lord made it clear that was where He wanted me. 

I grew up in a denomination and I prefer the non-denominational.  There seems to be less religious politicing.  Yes, their sorta their own denomination but the politics are different.  They seem to be more dependant on how the Lord leads instead of what the people want.

I don't agree with everything and it's not important that I agree with everything.  My opinion on many things have changed along the way and I can't imagine still being in the place spiritually I was 10 years ago.  I've changed and grown in the Lord so much and it was due to the Lord directing me to a church that would sometimes offend me. 

   Not for harm but for change. 

Pastor N.B. · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by \o/
"Churches of Christ" are considered cultic by many Christians. Are you of the "no instrumental music" crowd? Of the "must have the 'Lord's supper' on the 'Lord's Day'" crowd? You may not call the "Churches of Christ" a denomination, but it most certainly has a set of doctrines and practices that differ from other Christian bodies. Do not the "Churches of Christ" consider all others as not Christian?

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Forum:
I am not speaking for the 'churches of Christ', But PLEASE notice the difference between the Words (Christ) Word, of 'FOLD' and a person in the singular use of Rev. 18:4.

His Word says to [come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS].." Now I ask you about this FOLD? (denomination) The Word continues on.. ".. that YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES". This is a fatal DECISION if left unheeded!

Now the question asked was: "Do not the 'Churches' of Christ consider all others as not Christians?"
Does this statement mean, does not the Word of God tell us that there is only one Christian TRUE VIRGIN FOLD & all other FOLDS are wrong, yet, GOD HAS HIS SAINTS IN THEM?? Or is it to be construed to mean the way it sounds, that all other [folds & there members are lost??] Truely there IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!

Try this verse from the Master Himself:
"And other sheep [I HAVE], which are not [OF THIS FOLD]: them also [I MUST BRING], and [THEY WILL HEAR MY VOICE; AND THERE SHALL BE *ONE FOLD, AND ONE SHEPARD]". John 10:16 (See Rom. 8:14! and it will be fatal to not heed the warning of Rev. 18:4!)

And in closing :idea:

Perhaps one might wonder if the Master has a last day message for us? Notice His last book, chapter 17 verse 5, He speaks using His Words of inspiration rather clearly perhaps? "THE [MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH]". She has daughters! Ask yourself what is going on in these professed Christian church denominations, these days? (if you don't know, let me know & I will document some from the daily news)

Now friend. There is a big, Big, BIG, difference in an harlot or Daughter denomination with false doctrines, and that still has in/mature [CHRISTIAN] believers inside them! Even in their ministry perhaps? Try Heb. 5:11-14.---P/N/B/

Pastor N.B. · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by humblejoe
But what if that denomination's beliefs contradict your own personal convictions? Is it possible to join a church whose denomination doesn't contradict any of one specific individual's beliefs? If so, then which denomination would that be, and what are the criteria that were used for determining that?

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Doctrines save no one! Yet any one saved & in LOVE with their Master will Keep His doctrines! In Christ's day His doctrines went with His new FOLD.

Here is an inlightening site for the sincere 'saint':

http://biblelight.net/temple.htm
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Blackhawk · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Doctrines save no one! Yet any one saved & in LOVE with their Master will Keep His doctrines! In Christ's day His doctrines went with His new FOLD.
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Huh? Isn't "being saved" a doctrine itself? 

Pastor N.B. · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by Blackhawk
Huh? Isn't "being saved" a doctrine itself? 

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If so, what is the [Everlasting Gospel] and the [Everlasting Covenant] doctrine [part] of ''being saved''?
In other words: "Being Saved" without these ETERNAL Truths are NO Gospel at all! It is CONDITIONAL/LESS. And remember these Everlasting Words, long, Long, LONG before the creation of Adam & Eve! :bow:

This is why the site was posted in my earlier missive. The TRUTH is found in the GodHeads Heavenly Sanctuary :clap:

And Doctrine? "[ALL SCRIPTURE] is given by the inspiration of God, and is [profitable for DOCTRINE], for [REPROOF], for [CORRECTION] for [INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTOUSNESS]. That the man of God may be perfect..."
2 Tim. 3:16-17 in part.---P/N/B/

EJO · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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Forum:
I am not speaking for the 'churches of Christ', But PLEASE notice the difference between the Words (Christ) Word, of 'FOLD' and a person in the singular use of Rev. 18:4.

His Word says to [come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS].." Now I ask you about this FOLD? (denomination) The Word continues on.. ".. that YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES". This is a fatal DECISION if left unheeded!

Now the question asked was: "Do not the 'Churches' of Christ consider all others as not Christians?"
Does this statement mean, does not the Word of God tell us that there is only one Christian TRUE VIRGIN FOLD & all other FOLDS are wrong, yet, GOD HAS HIS SAINTS IN THEM?? Or is it to be construed to mean the way it sounds, that all other [folds & there members are lost??] Truely there IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!

Try this verse from the Master Himself:
"And other sheep [I HAVE], which are not [OF THIS FOLD]: them also [I MUST BRING], and [THEY WILL HEAR MY VOICE; AND THERE SHALL BE *ONE FOLD, AND ONE SHEPARD]". John 10:16 (See Rom. 8:14! and it will be fatal to not heed the warning of Rev. 18:4!)

And in closing Perhaps one might wonder if the Master has a last day message for us? Notice His last book, chapter 17 verse 5, He speaks using His Words of inspiration rather clearly perhaps? "THE [MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH]". She has daughters! Ask yourself what is going on in these professed Christian church denominations, these days? (if you don't know, let me know & I will document some from the daily news)

Now friend. There is a big, Big, BIG, difference in an harlot or Daughter denomination with false doctrines, and that still has in/mature [CHRISTIAN] believers inside them! Even in their ministry perhaps? Try Heb. 5:11-14.---P/N/B/

Every time I read a post of yours' PastorNB, you are always speaking of the "fold"- like a broken record...
I looked up the scripture(s) you keep bringing up-

John 10:16(I'll start in vs. 14-16) I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
The fold that Christ is refering to (in vs16) is Israel, and that the Gentiles are the "other sheep" and He is saying in the context, I am going to bring in the gentiles into the same family, and benefits of God as Israel. (see Ephesians chapter 2)

Romans 8:14 (again I'll start in 13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This verse just backs up they other claims that people here have spoken of before, Those who look to Jesus, and try to understand Him with thier spirit are of one family. But if they try to do that with the flesh, than that is all it is- not of God.
Then you keep bringing up Rev 18:4 : And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Since I do not know enough of Revelation, I will use a trusted commentary notes:

The warning is focused towards saints who are in the position Lot was in while living in Sodom (Genesis 19); these are God's people in a place they shouldn't be, a place ripe for destruction

c. The call to depart from Babylon and the worldliness that it represents is a theme repeated frequently in the Scriptures

i. Depart! Depart! Go out from there, touch no unclean thing; go out from her, be clean, you who bear the vessels of the Lord. (Isaiah 52:11)
ii. Flee from the midst of Babylon, and everyone save his life! (Jeremiah 50:8)

iii. My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord (Jeremiah 51:45)

iv. Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)

v. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

I see no mention of a "fold" or a "denomination" that you keep trying to put into this verse. The author is refering to the "body" of Christ, same as those refered to in Romans 8:14.

What is the "Virgin Fold" that you keep mentioning? Is your "virgin fold"- or what I understand you to mean, a "pure denomination"?
Are denominations (you keep calling them "folds"), or churches that we all attend corrupt in your eyes?

Please enlighten us.

In the Bible I read I only know of the Gentiles and Israel.

Peace, EJO

Blackhawk · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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If so, what is the [Everlasting Gospel] and the [Everlasting Covenant] doctrine [part] of ''being saved''?
In other words: "Being Saved" without these ETERNAL Truths are NO Gospel at all! It is CONDITIONAL/LESS. And remember these Everlasting Words, long, Long, LONG before the creation of Adam & Eve!

This is why the site was posted in my earlier missive. The TRUTH is found in the GodHeads Heavenly Sanctuary

And Doctrine? "[ALL SCRIPTURE] is given by the inspiration of God, and is [profitable for DOCTRINE], for [REPROOF], for [CORRECTION] for [INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTOUSNESS]. That the man of God may be perfect..."
2 Tim. 3:16-17 in part.---P/N/B/

I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to say here.  Can you explain it again?

Pastor N.B. · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by EJO
Every time I read a post of yours' PastorNB, you are always speaking of the "fold"- like a broken record...
I looked up the scripture(s) you keep bringing up-
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P/N/B/ here: The broken record are Christ's emphasis, "Fold" (denomination, other folds) ONE "FAITH" of Eph. 4:5.
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John 10:16(I'll start in vs. 14-16) I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have,

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P/N/B/ here: What does this say? read it slowly! Let me put brackets '[ ]' around some of its words?
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which are not of [this fold:] them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there [shall be one fold], and one shepherd.
The fold that Christ is refering to (in vs16) is Israel, and that the Gentiles are the "other sheep"

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P/N/B/ here: Not so! from 27-34 AD Israel had their judgement. Christ told a TRUTH when He stated that your "house" (Fold, denomination) is left unto you DESOLATE in Matt. 23:38. That is when the new FOLD was brought into existence. Try its responsibility as recorded in Matt. 16:19 & Matt. 18:15-18. (THAT WAS NOT ISRAEL OF OLD!)
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and He is saying in the context, I am going to bring in the gentiles into the same family, and benefits of God as Israel. (see Ephesians chapter 2)

Romans 8:14 (again I'll start in 13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

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P/N/B here: If one were truely led of God in your below remarks, from MILK to MEAT (mature) we would see ALL CHRISTIANS in the ONE {FAITH of Eph. 4:5} Yet, to say to look to Jesus is enough, is not GOSPEL. Looking will not bring UNITY! Being [LED] is the substance. And seeing that you do not know enough about Rev. 17:5 & Rev. 18:4 to see that there will be a fatal mistake that is possible for REAL CHRISTIANS, is one that you need study on. Read Matt. 4:4! Try Acts 5:32 & verse*29's last part!
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14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This verse just backs up they other claims that people here have spoken of before, Those who look to Jesus, and try to understand Him with thier spirit are of one family. But if they try to do that with the flesh, than that is all it is- not of God.

Then you keep bringing up Rev 18:4 : And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Since I do not know enough of Revelation, I will use a trusted commentary notes:
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P/N/B/ here:
ALL denominations have [trusted commentaries] . Take your pick ? Read Rev. 3:16-17? Can you understand this statement from the Word Himself?? The below Commentary should tell you that Babylon is a CHURCH DENOMINATION WITH DAUGHTERS! STUDY REV. 17 & 18 both.
You need only the ONE TRUE COMMENTARY, [IT IS WRITTEN] & then read 2 TIM. 3:16 for your start. Mans wisdom is FOOLISHNESS WITH GOD!
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The warning is focused towards saints who are in the position Lot was in while living in Sodom (Genesis 19); these are God's people in a place they shouldn't be, a place ripe for destruction

c. The call to depart from Babylon and the worldliness that it represents is a theme repeated frequently in the Scriptures

i. Depart! Depart! Go out from there, touch no unclean thing; go out from her, be clean, you who bear the vessels of the Lord. (Isaiah 52:11)
ii. Flee from the midst of Babylon, and everyone save his life! (Jeremiah 50:8)

iii. My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord (Jeremiah 51:45)

iv. Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)

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P/N/B/ here: even in the above you can find no place in any denomination that has [open filth] in its membership that is permitted! For it is not the non/christian who God holds the most responsibility, it is the PROFESSED ones! See Luke 12:47-48. And WHERE IS CHRIST IN THESE? Try Josh. 7:12's last part!
And by the way, why is this Babylonian thing in the ENDING OF THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD & IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SETTING? Notice: "These ... No, that is enough for now! Thanks for your seemingly sincerity. ---end of P/N/B/ remarks
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v. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

I see no mention of a "fold" or a "denomination" that you keep trying to put into this verse. The author is refering to the "body" of Christ, same as those refered to in Romans 8:14.

What is the "Virgin Fold" that you keep mentioning? Is your "virgin fold"- or what I understand you to mean, a "pure denomination"?
Are denominations (you keep calling them "folds"), or churches that we all attend corrupt in your eyes?

Please enlighten us.

In the Bible I read I only know of the Gentiles and Israel.

Peace, EJO

Pastor N.B. · Oct 4, 2002

Originally posted by Blackhawk
I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to say here.  Can you explain it again?

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Hi,
Bottom line

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You tell me what you think the Gospel is? And the Word tells us that it is EVERLASTING! (or we are WRONG, OK??) In other Words, it has ALWAYS BEEN! Before sin in heaven, it was a plan for when it was needed to be brought forth, it was!

Now, not only is it EVERLASTING, but it is EVERLASTINGLY CONNECTED WITH THE EVERLASTING COVENANT CONDITIONS! Read Acts 5:32.

The Gospel has always had CONDITIONS. They TOGETHER MAKE UP THE [GOSPEL] THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE to be SEPERATED, or to ever of had a STARTING POINT! :clap:

Did you run the site that I posted up? ---P/N/B/
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Caedmon · Oct 5, 2002

Pastor N.B., I've been reading your posts for a long time now, and I have to say... I no more understand them now than when I first read them.

But really, could you be more specific? I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that the Seventh Day Adventist Church is the only group of people that will get into Heaven? Are you saying that people of other groups will only get to Heaven by chance? Are you saying that the "Virgin fold" is only the Seventh Day Adventist Church?

Why should I belong to YOUR denomination?

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