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He mentioned human rights, and he said that everyone has a right to freedom of belief. He also said that there must be more interfaith dialogue. So this is proof that you shouldn't get your picture of Islam from the mass media. After the question and answer session, I went and talked to him, and one of the things I asked him about was the verses in Surah 9 of the Qur'an calling for the killing of all non-Muslims. The sheikh was a Hafidh, a person who had completely memorized the Qur'an, and he told me that those verses were referring to wartime. He said that it is totally wrong to kill unbelievers outside of wartime, to go to their house and kill them.

O.k. But he needs to go tell that to the Muslims opressing the Brothers and Sisters in Darfur and Indonesia!
 
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Hold On! I jsut realized that article said "BEFORE MARRIAGE"! Uh,...what? Mike, I do not believe that you are this simple! Read that passage! It clearly says in verse 13 "AFTER LAYING WITH HER"! COME ON!!!!!!
 
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I joined a Muslim forum a while back to learn more about Islam so I could be a better neighbor to a Muslim family in the community. They were very nice people but it soon became very repressive as I was not allowed to post anything that "called to a religion other than Islam" or post quotes that might paint any other religion in a positive light. Yes, they were very tolerant as long as you were willing to listen to their evangelizing and keep silent about your own faith. I think that must be some small hint of what it's like to be non-Muslim under sharia.
 
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I joined a Muslim forum a while back to learn more about Islam so I could be a better neighbor to a Muslim family in the community. They were very nice people but it soon became very repressive as I was not allowed to post anything that "called to a religion other than Islam" or post quotes that might paint any other religion in a positive light. Yes, they were very tolerant as long as you were willing to listen to their evangelizing and keep silent about your own faith. I think that must be some small hint of what it's like to be non-Muslim under sharia.

Well, isn't that how practically all religious forums work? CF too has (or at least had) a non-proselytization rule in place for other religions.
 
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They call them Dhimi! Did you know that that is how slavery got to West Africa? Many people do not realize that the East or Sahran Slave trade lasted almost 1000 years and that slavery has only been recently outlawed in 1960's in many Muslim countries! The Muslims came and the Christians came to West Africa. If you did not to convert to Christianity in a Christian conquered part, you would pay higher taxes, if you were in a Muslim conquered part, you would be beheaded for not converting. That is what made it so easy for European slavers to get slaves from West Africa. In their defense though, it was not a slavery based on racial inferiority ( because they were all black!) as was the Atlantic Slave Trade, and was in fact the most loose in history! In West Africa I mean! Arabic/Muslim slavery was and is still very harsh! But it still didn't help! Omagosh! How did I get on this tangent? Oh Well! Tra la la! Hey anybody interested in reading that book?
 
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Well, isn't that how practically all religious forums work? CF too has (or at least had) a non-proselytization rule in place for other religions.

Though you may not feel like it, you are given a lot more freedom here in discussing Islam than I was given on that board. I didn't even try to proselytize anyone, I was just trying to be a Christian but the act of letting my faith enter into my dialogue was too much. That is repressive and demonstrates a serious lack of tolerance.
 
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Was the Trinity always a part of Christianity?

The Transfiguration and baptism of Christ both reveal the Trinity.
Christ also says to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

If you refer back to Genesis, at the creation the Spirit moves over the waters. At the creation of Adam, "Let us create ... in our image" -- you should refer to the first chapter of Genesis.

My memory is faulty -- how thin is the thread over the abyss which must be walked to enter "paradise" in Islam ?
 
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The Transfiguration and baptism of Christ both reveal the Trinity.
Christ also says to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Exactly...

If you refer back to Genesis, at the creation the Spirit moves over the waters. At the creation of Adam, "Let us create ... in our image" -- you should refer to the first chapter of Genesis.

Muslims like to deal with that using the "royalty" speech excuse, but I just don't see that... It is also talking about "the image"

My memory is faulty -- how thin is the thread over the abyss which must be walked to enter "paradise" in Islam ?

I was taught, thinner than human hair, and the sheep you sacrificed during that holiday they have every year commemorating "Abraham"s near sacrifice of Ishmael, they carry you... That is one belief. Why do you ask this?
 
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I was taught, thinner than human hair, and the sheep you sacrificed during that holiday they have every year commemorating "Abraham"s near sacrifice of Ishmael, they carry you... That is one belief. Why do you ask this?

Hey, Bushmaster !

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Glad to see you posting here still

Thats what I thought -- quite thin ! And, I've heard, quite sharp. I just wondered how adherents thought about that, or how it effects the view of likelihood about entrance into paradise. The description I heard made it sound pretty impossible.

Hope all is well with you !

Thekla
 
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Hey, Bushmaster !

:thumbsup:
Glad to see you posting here still

Thats what I thought -- quite thin ! And, I've heard, quite sharp. I just wondered how adherents thought about that, or how it effects the view of likelihood about entrance into paradise. The description I heard made it sound pretty impossible.

Hope all is well with you !

Thekla
I don't understand?
 
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