Islam

DarkNLovely · Aug 18, 2007

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HumbleSiPilot77 · Aug 18, 2007

Futuwwa said:
Well, I cannot answer her posts without breaking them. Orthodox here seem to be able to talk about other religions, but the followers of those other religions aren't allowed to take part, not even replying to posts.

That sounds like an excuse, all you can do is claim theories against Orthodox Christianity and you will get answers, what you are suggesting is flat out CENSORSHIP, who is doing that?

MariaRegina · Aug 18, 2007

Michael, are you really thinking of becoming Islamic because of your girlfriend and the pressure from her family?

HumbleSiPilot77 · Aug 18, 2007

MichaelArchangelos,

In order to become a muslim, you will have to accept that Quran is God's word and Muhammad is indeed a prophet, a messenger of God. Well, it is time to ask... Could that be? Could that Quran really be the Word of God? And then what about the Bible? Early muslims didn't confront this problem until they arrived Christian lands, well, the lands where there were many Orthodox Christians rather than heretics, and Christians flat out refused Quran, this was appalling to them, and this Bible has been corrupted story comes out of this problem of them not being able to reconciliate the contradictions. Which one is true? The moment I was convinced that Gospel arrived to us unchanged, Islam was done for me. I do not need to listen no pleadings, no arguments from them as Gospel clearly puts in you that Christ died on the Cross and ROSE AGAIN.

HumbleSiPilot77 · Aug 18, 2007

Aria said:
Michael, are you really thinking of becoming Islamic because of your girlfriend and the pressure from her family?

For me, that would be the end of that relationship... Have a good day...

DarkNLovely · Aug 18, 2007

Hold on! You aren't dating a Christian? There is your problem! Maybe I can help you further! Remeber when God told Solomon not to marry all those foreign women because they would turn his heart? Well, they did, BUT, did any of those faiths become anymore true or real than they were BEFORE he married them? NO! And Islam will not be true after a conversion. Plrase read that story!

DarkNLovely · Aug 18, 2007

Bushmaster said:
What the heck is this? It is the second post I am seeing like this from these youngsters like in one month and it ticks me off to no extent... Are you aware that you are a baptized Orthodox Christian? Do you not know Islam, nor your faith? You almost sound like you are half way there... Listen to those who have been muslims, and now Christians... You are not going to learn islam from the people in the cafeteria, they will of course give you a pretty rundown...

I like how you call us "youngsters" but you're only 30! LOL!!

MariaRegina · Aug 18, 2007

Michael,

Again Magazine has an issue devoted to Islam. In that issue, Father Daniel tells about his conversion from Islam to Christianity and how he has personally led many to Christ even at the risk of being killed. There is an article by Terry that is well reading too. His wife was Islamic and converted to Christianity after their marriage.

If you did convert to Islam and then tried to convert back to Christianity, the Iman wouldn't be very forgiving nor would the family of your girlfriend. Many Islamic countries allow the relatives to kill those who convert to Christianity by not punishing those who do commit murder.

Yes, you should not be unevenly yoke. Please try to find a Christian girlfriend to marry.

DarkNLovely · Aug 19, 2007

Monica said:
Michael,

nutroll's post was right on. Think about your attitudes toward faith and belief. In so many ways it seems from your posts that you strive for structure and certainty. Fundamentalism in any religion promises that. But in Christianity we know Truth to be a person: Jesus. Truth is not about laying down laws, it is about knowing the One who is the source of All.

I am not going to tell you that Islam is a creation of the devil. I just don't know if that is true. There are Muslims that do terrible things, but there are also Muslims that devote themselves to doing good. Muslims are people made in the image of God and because of that, they are very capable of virtue.

I am also not going to tell you that Islam is devoid of beauty. But the beauty of Islam is derivative. It is a product of the culture and the monotheism (Jewish and Christian) that Mohamed and his followers were exposed to. Humanity is capable of beauty! This is part of the image of God in us. Think of ancient Mayan temples, Egyptian pyramids, Ndebele houses, etc. Every group of humans produces beauty in some form whether art, literature or music. And so of course there will be beauty in Islam.

There is also a portion of truth in Islam. But it is no where near the fullness of Truth. Consider this:

*Under the Old Covenant, God established the sacrificial system. As Christians we believe that pointed to and was fulfilled in Christ. If what Islam says is true, and Christ was merely a man who died a normal death and was not crucifed and resurrected, what was the point of the sacrificial system?

*Further, if Islam is the restoration of the religion of Abraham, Jacob and Moses, why are there no sacrifices? Why is there no Temple worship in Islam? The whole of the OT is concerned with the building of, maintaining and worshiping in the Temple! What gives?

*Why are there so many inconsistences in the OT Law and the Quran? The dietary laws are not even the same, not to mention all of the other laws. I really don't see how anyone can say that it is supposed to be a restoration of the religion of the patriarchs.

*What of all the prophecy of the messiah? Islam claims to recognize Jesus as the messiah but they wittle him down to the status of prophet. However in the OT, the messiah was to be much, much more:

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. --Daniel 7

This is no mere prophet!

*The Islam says that the Injil, the Gospel, is the word of Allah but it was lost or corrupted over time. How is it that Allah could not protect his own revelation?

There are so many things that don't add up when you try to connect Islam with the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Don't close your eyes to them because something seems appealing from the outside.

M.

Did ya'll also know that Mohammed told Christian to follow the Bible? To me, that completly debunks any so called corruptions! Plus, one can't deny the scriptures and then use them to "prove" their points!

DarkNLovely · Aug 19, 2007

Aria said:
Michael, are you really thinking of becoming Islamic because of your girlfriend and the pressure from her family?

You also don't know if you are gonna stay with this girl forever! This is really to everyone in unequally yoked relationships! I just think about ALL the many crushes I have had over the yers....and how short a time they lasted! YOU ARE ONLY 21!! THERE ARE BILLIONS OF WOMEN ON THIS PLANET WHO YOU MAY STRENGTHEN IN CHRIST! Why should you give up your Truth for this one? She may not be the one! My mama had this friend once. She was in love with man, but something didn't seem right. After they got engaged, she prayed and asked God for a sign as to wheather or not she was on the right path. On her way to the chapel to get hitched, she realized as she was driving, that she was going the wrong way on a one way street! She married him, and the last my mama saw of her, she was very unhappy!

MichaelNZ · Aug 19, 2007

My girlfriend's family are Hindu, not Muslim. She decided to convert to Orthodox Christianity and for a long time, she wasn't very serious in her faith. Then she started reading the Philokalia, and her faith is really strong now.

I read some articles on www.answering-christianity.com and I'm really confused now. Was the Trinity always a part of Christianity? The site also has an article about "X-Rated inappropriate contentography in the Bible", mainly referring to the Song of Songs.

Orthosdoxa · Aug 19, 2007

The site also has an article about "X-Rated inappropriate contentography in the Bible", mainly referring to the Song of Songs.

SoS is a reference to Christ and the Church.

How could those who see Christ as a mere man possibly know their arm from their behind when it comes to the Bible, anyway?

The devil is using your curiousity about other beliefs to try to control you. First JW's, now this. You're not even Orthdox yet. Submit to your priest and what he has to teach you, and stay away from these false cults.

MariaRegina · Aug 19, 2007

Don't read the articles at that Muslim site.

The Trinity was always a part of Christianity.

Note: I am quoting from memory:

Christ said, "Philip, he who sees Me sees the Father. I and the Father are One."

Then the beginning of St. John's Gospel says, "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God. And the Word was God."

So we see here that there is a God the Father and a God the Son. Two divine persons, yet one Godhead.

Then Christ said, "I will send the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, who will guide you in all truth."

The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Blessed Trinity.

When Christ was baptized in the Jordan the nature of the Trinity was revealed. The Father's voice was heard and the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove.

I hope this helps.

If you really love your girlfriend, you will support her in her desire to become Orthodox by becoming Orthodox yourself and by remaining firm in the faith.

Do not look at Muslim websites or read their literature. It is a terrible temptation for you. Avoid the temptation. It is a sin.

The Song of Songs is a canticle about God's love for His Holy Bride, the Church. You cannot read that canticle without also realizing that today's words have different connotations than in the times of antiquity. That is why we need the Church to help us interpret Biblical passages.

It only becomes inappropriate contentographic because of the dirty minds of the Islamic scholars.

Dust and Ashes · Aug 19, 2007

Read the debate between the Monk George and the Muslim teachers. There is a longer version posted somewhere in the OO forum, maybe they can point you to it.

MichaelNZ · Aug 19, 2007

I have heard this before - that the Song of Songs refers to Christ and His Church, but it does seem a bit graphic for that.

There's something else they mentioned that disturbed me, but I have to go now - there's an Islamic Q&A session and a Sheikh is coming for it.

buzuxi02 · Aug 19, 2007

There is only one or two prophecies in the bible which can possibly refer to Islam and both are bad news for muslims. I wont get into it now, but this prophecy is chilling.

MariaRegina · Aug 19, 2007

buzuxi02 said:
There is only one or two prophecies in the bible which can possibly refer to Islam and both are bad news for muslims. I wont get into it now, but this prophecy is chilling.

Please do enlighten us.

Orthosdoxa · Aug 19, 2007

I have to go now - there's an Islamic Q&A session and a Sheikh is coming for it.

Weren't you the fellow who just 4 days ago was ranting how you hoped the Perv-phet Mo was roasting in hell?

Then you were swayed by JW arguments and started to wonder if they were right.

Now this.

What will it be next week? Mormonism? Wicca? Satanism?

My friend, you have been exposed to the Truth. You are willingly throwing your soul into hell by disavowing it and flirting with a satanic fabrication. There's just no other way to say it.

If you do nothing else for me ever, read "The Sword of the Prophet" by Dr. Serge Trifkovich.

repentant · Aug 19, 2007

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
-Jesus

DarkNLovely · Aug 19, 2007

O.K. As far as SoS, it's about ramantic love which can be seen as paralleling Christ, but in all likelyhood, it's very literal! Especially when one consideres who wrote it! And so what if it's in the Bible? Sex ain't wrong! It's beautiful! Why don't you tell them about "The Perfumed Garden" which is a Muslim Kama Sutra written by a Sheikh that starts out with praise to Allah for making women so sexy!! ( I have this book by the way, and it's good, but SoS is WAY better!) It even depicts two prophets having sex! Two UNMARRIED prophets! WHAT'S WRONG WITH SOS! It's erotic, and lovely and celebrates Gods gifts of sex and marriage! Please confront them with this book and ask them why are Muslims allowed to write this but Christians can't without sombody dropping the hypacrite bomb!

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