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If your going to kill -- silence prophecy AGAIN then what exactly are the beliefs of the Chrismatic chruches. If all else fails set yourself up in a position where you have control of what goes on thats the ways of the world not the ways of men of God. I am so curious why is it so important to silence the gift of prophecy ?? think about it !!
 

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Because some people, under the guise of prophecy, have (intentionally or unintentionally) harmed others.

Because some people don't test the spirits and say things they think are speaking prophecy, and aren't. It is either words of the flesh or words of the enemy.

Because all prophecy must be tested, according to Scripture, and there needs to be a way to test all prophecy, to make sure it is from the Holy Spirit.
 
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If your going to kill -- silence prophecy AGAIN then what exactly are the beliefs of the Chrismatic chruches. If all else fails set yourself up in a position where you have control of what goes on thats the ways of the world not the ways of men of God. I am so curious why is it so important to silence the gift of prophecy ?? think about it !!

No one wants to “silence the gift of prophecy”, Rod. Since the NT sets up guidelines for judging prophecy in a public assembly and has nothing to say about doing it in an open anonymous forum where we cannot know those who labor among us, it does present a dilemma, doesn’t it? How can we know if a prophecy is true or false or if a prophet is true or false without guidelines?

You are courting disaster by opening this forum up to wannabe prophets who just might be off-the-wall spiritual freaks. Until we have guidelines, I say keep your prophecy in your local church, not in this forum.

~Jim
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Because some people, under the guise of prophecy, have (intentionally or unintentionally) harmed others.

Because some people don't test the spirits and say things they think are speaking prophecy, and aren't. It is either words of the flesh or words of the enemy.

Because all prophecy must be tested, according to Scripture, and there needs to be a way to test all prophecy, to make sure it is from the Holy Spirit.
If people cant "discern" by the Spirit of God within them then its their problem..

Babies have to learn to chew soft foods before meat, but the rest of the family doesnt have to sit down to a dinner of pureed food..

Matthew 24:4
1 Corinthians 2:12
John 14:26

Its about time the body of Christ grows up and learns to stop making their pastors, etc, to be their EARS...Thats why God gave you the Holy Spirit..
 
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So jim if God gives me the message your town is going to be destroyed you just think its best i keep it here in the local church. wrong thats not scripture !!
Here is what i have noticed who are the ones that stand the strongest against prophecy being delivered on this forum ?? 99.9 percent are pastors now i wonder why that is. maybe because of an authority thing maybe because of a vanity or pride thing i dont know what it is maybe you all could tell me. maybe people are learning and as they grow they will see false and errored teaching. maybe if they silence the gift of prophecy which edifys deciples and helps them to grow in Gods word in silencing or restricting prophecy they can remain in place and retain their following i dont know what it is but its something there is no doubt an agenda because it happens over and over.
Let me ask you this Jim i delivered a warning message to the area where Katrina hit months before it hit i did so to be obident to Gods Word. Now God gave me that message he didnt say take this message to be oked by the church no he said deliver it. seeing as how in this little bird of a town there is no gift believing church that would have been a bit hard to do. but according to you i was wrong for obeying God !! i dont think so
Its hard enough to deliver a message from God you get called all kinds of names quack crazy you name it i have heard it. but what is the hardest is the crap you take from other deciples that is what always knocks the wind out of me the most.
I am here on a christian forum having to defend the gift God gives us that is SAD
 
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i can totally relate to millerrod.
you come to a certain point where you just cannot listen to people any more. its a tough job being a prophet, or let´s say delivering words of god/the holy spirit. when you´re at home where you grew up it´s even extra hard.

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jeremiah 9:6
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If people cant "discern" by the Spirit of God within them then its their problem..

Babies have to learn to chew soft foods before meat, but the rest of the family doesnt have to sit down to a dinner of pureed food..

Matthew 24:4
1 Corinthians 2:12
John 14:26

Its about time the body of Christ grows up and learns to stop making their pastors, etc, to be their EARS...Thats why God gave you the Holy Spirit..
Seems to me that you are placing the onus of discernment exclusively upon the individual hearer.

Since the gift of discernment is like any other gift of the Spirit, distributed severally as He wills, it stands to reason that some people may lack spiritual discernment in matters such as prophecy. Thus, to place the onus of discernment upon them--and not upon the corporate body--is dangerous.

Perhaps this is why Paul wrote in I Corinthians 14, "Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge."

Prophecy invites corporate judgment (i.e., evaluation, criticism, etc.)

If you can't handle having your prophecies judged by the corporate body, then you don't need to prophesy.
 
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So jim if God gives me the message your town is going to be destroyed you just think its best i keep it here in the local church. wrong thats not scripture !!
Here is what i have noticed who are the ones that stand the strongest against prophecy being delivered on this forum ?? 99.9 percent are pastors now i wonder why that is. maybe because of an authority thing maybe because of a vanity or pride thing i dont know what it is maybe you all could tell me. maybe people are learning and as they grow they will see false and errored teaching. maybe if they silence the gift of prophecy which edifys deciples and helps them to grow in Gods word in silencing or restricting prophecy they can remain in place and retain their following i dont know what it is but its something there is no doubt an agenda because it happens over and over.
Let me ask you this Jim i delivered a warning message to the area where Katrina hit months before it hit i did so to be obident to Gods Word. Now God gave me that message he didnt say take this message to be oked by the church no he said deliver it. seeing as how in this little bird of a town there is no gift believing church that would have been a bit hard to do. but according to you i was wrong for obeying God !! i dont think so
Its hard enough to deliver a message from God you get called all kinds of names quack crazy you name it i have heard it. but what is the hardest is the crap you take from other deciples that is what always knocks the wind out of me the most.
I am here on a christian forum having to defend the gift God gives us that is SAD
When you are purporting to proclaim the Word of God, you should be required to defend your positions. It's not only for our protection, but also for yours.

If people accept your prophecies as being God's inspired word, then you would invariably be subject to great temptation to manipulate this gift--to lie about the word of God in order to suit your whims. I am not saying that you are doing this. Indeed, you may be as pure as the wind driven snow. Even so, if I were the devil, that is exactly where I would tempt you. I would try to turn Millerrod into the next Jim Jones.
 
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If your going to kill -- silence prophecy AGAIN then what exactly are the beliefs of the Chrismatic chruches. If all else fails set yourself up in a position where you have control of what goes on thats the ways of the world not the ways of men of God. I am so curious why is it so important to silence the gift of prophecy ?? think about it !!
Charismatic churches certainly believe in prophecy. Prophecy is intended to edify and build up believers, not tear them down and condemn and control them.
Unfortunately there are a handful of posters who ruin it for the rest. They continually post "prophetic words" that are controlling and condemning.
I love prophesying and have done it for many years. I actually prophesied before I ever spoke in tongues.
I wish we could bring it back to the forums.
 
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No one wants to “silence the gift of prophecy”, Rod. Since the NT sets up guidelines for judging prophecy in a public assembly and has nothing to say about doing it in an open anonymous forum where we cannot know those who labor among us, it does present a dilemma, doesn’t it? How can we know if a prophecy is true or false or if a prophet is true or false without guidelines?

You are courting disaster by opening this forum up to wannabe prophets who just might be off-the-wall spiritual freaks. Until we have guidelines, I say keep your prophecy in your local church, not in this forum.

~Jim

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Last I checked I had the Holy Spirit to help me along with Gods Word. And not all prophecy is local by any means. What was George Washingtons vision about? Was it local? What about dumetri Deuturmann? His was for the whole country. Do I know these were from God? Yes, because I have been shown and told some of the same things. No Jim prophecy should not always be kept in the local church not should a pastor ever try to control or quench prophecy. Discern it, yes, but control it, no.
 
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Let me state that testing is quite different than controlling. We are encouraged to test the spirits. Is that controlling? I think not!

You might think there's a movement to quench or control prophecies, when that isn't the case. It is a matter of saying "Can they be done in this forum, or limited to the blogs like before?" If we will allow prophecy "How can we test the Spirits to make sure they are from God?"
 
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Charismatic churches certainly believe in prophecy. Prophecy is intended to edify and build up believers, not tear them down and condemn and control them.
Unfortunately there are a handful of posters who ruin it for the rest. They continually post "prophetic words" that are controlling and condemning.
I love prophesying and have done it for many years. I actually prophesied before I ever spoke in tongues.
I wish we could bring it back to the forums.
I agree.
 
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The issue being discussed is NOT about judging or not judging a word of prophecy given. This OP is in regards to whether or not to even ALLOW prophecy on CF and how to control others regarding it.
The OP does not even mention CF.
 
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Last I checked I had the Holy Spirit to help me along with Gods Word. And not all prophecy is local by any means. What was George Washingtons vision about? Was it local? What about dumetri Deuturmann? His was for the whole country. Do I know these were from God? Yes, because I have been shown and told some of the same things. No Jim prophecy should not always be kept in the local church not should a pastor ever try to control or quench prophecy. Discern it, yes, but control it, no.
Perhaps... but the prophets should always remember that the "spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."

Just because God gives you a word doesn't mean you are required to proclaim it right then and there.
 
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Perhaps... but the prophets should always remember that the "spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."

Just because God gives you a word doesn't mean you are required to proclaim it right then and there.
I agree, many times God doesnt want it divulged at all as it is for you and your understanding. Discernment and knowing the voice of God is imperative. I agree that to many gave things out that were not from God or were not really prophetic, the question is what rules will help to control what is acceptable and what is not? Also do we want the board cluttered as it once was with all this? These to me are the real questions. The blatant abuses can be handled in the regular way, it is how to allow prophewcy and at the same time not have a free for all.
 
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As I've stated in the vote thread, I'm not against having prophecy here. I actually voted for it. I just stated we need rules in place in order to test prophecy without the general chaos we're seeing regarding the issue now.
 
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