Jesus didn't quote from "Catholic" books

Elnaam · Oct 2, 2002

Originally posted by Wolseley
Protestants call the Deuterocanonical books "the Apocrypha".

Wrong, Jews and Protestants call it the Apocrypha.

Wolseley · Oct 2, 2002

Elnaam, my dear fellow, I didn't say it was a direct quote; I said it was an allusion to the Deterocanonical Scripture.

And I will kindly remind you that you are in the Catholic forum now; that you may not debate in here; that you may not disparage or denegrate Catholicism in here; and that you also have more than your fair share of warnings and cautions on your account.

You throw your weight around in here, and I will put you on vacation so fast you'll think you imagined you were actually here. Capische?

And now I'm off to the Staff Forums, to let Erwin and all the other Administrators know what I just said, to save you the trouble.

The Squalid Wanderer · Oct 2, 2002

The first list was found here:
http://catholicoutlook.com/objapoc7_f.html

However, upon further review I believe I would be correct to limit the list to Esther, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Ezra, and Nehemiah. Also note that this would actually be considered only four books and not five since Ezra and Nehemiah would be considerered one book. You can find verification of this information at the following websites:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/nbi/387.html - A Protestant website
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/canon.htm - Another Protestant website (which, oddly enough states that Ezra-Nehemiah and Esther fail both criteria, OT and NT, that the website puts forward as biblical evidence of canonicity)

www.catholicintl.com/canada/Word3.htm

Among the three divisions of the Jewish scripture, only two appear in the New Testament: the Law (of Moses) and the Prophets (cf. Matthew 7:12, John 1:45, Acts 13:15, Romans 3:21). The closest we can get to the three divisions is in Luke 24:44 that says "the Law of Moses, the Prophets and Psalms". Stating that Psalms represents the rest of the Writings is a weak argument because the same is never applied to the Law and the Prophets. Whilst it indicates the existence of the three divisions of the Jewish scripture, Luke 24:44 gives more evidence that the third division (Writings) in Jesus time was still open-ended. The absence of quotation in the New Testament from Esther, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Ezra and Nehemiah, all belong to the Writings, gives further evidence. The New Testament does not quote from Obadiah, Nahum and Haggai but the Twelve Minor Prophets was traditionally reckoned as one book. Apparently there is no quotation from Judges, but Ruth, the source of Jesus genealogy in the first Gospel, was combined with it. Also Lamentations, from where there is also no quotation, was combined with Jeremiah.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/canon.htm

[If] the New Testament, upon which all Christian sects agree for its canon, defines an Old Testament implicitly by the books it quotes this would mean that we must regard the book of Enoch as part of the Old Testament since it is quoted in Jude, and only a very few groups of Christians regard Enoch as canonical. This, however, is not the only case where the New Testament makes use of what is widely regarded as Apocryphal sources (i.e. "non-canonical" sources). On the other hand, Ecclesiastes, Esther, and Canticles are not quoted -- so if the New Testament defines a canon then these omissions must be explained.

AngelAmidala · Oct 2, 2002

Originally posted by KC Catholic
See why I am Wols padawon?

Not to interrupt...but it's PADAWAN. 

/me giggles

Back to your regularly or not so regularly planned discussion. 

KC Catholic · Oct 2, 2002

Originally posted by AngelAmidala
Not to interrupt...but it's PADAWAN. 

/me giggles

Back to your regularly or not so regularly planned discussion. 

I know...I know...and you've corrected me before!

That's why your the Angelamidala!

BaMerz · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by Wolseley
Elnaam, my dear fellow, I didn't say it was a direct quote; I said it was an allusion to the Deterocanonical Scripture.

And I will kindly remind you that you are in the Catholic forum now; that you may not debate in here; that you may not disparage or denegrate Catholicism in here; and that you also have more than your fair share of warnings and cautions on your account.

You throw your weight around in here, and I will put you on vacation so fast you'll think you imagined you were actually here. Capische?

And now I'm off to the Staff Forums, to let Erwin and all the other Administrators know what I just said, to save you the trouble.

Dear Brother Elnaam, have you looked down and noticed that your feet are quite dusty?  Your word is not being accepted here.  Dust your feet.

Praise Him forever, for He ALONE is worthy to be praised.

Chris†opher Paul · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by Wolseley
LOL. Okay, here: These books are canonical Scripture, according to the Catholic Church:

1 Maccabees

2 Maccabees

Judith

Sirach

Wisdom

Tobit

Baruch

and additional chapters in both Esther and Daniel.

Protestants call these seven books and extra chapters "apocryphal". We call them "Deuterocanonical".

Does that help?

Yes, thanks. I love Sirach, it rocks.

Catholic In Maine · Oct 3, 2002

Squalid, Thanks so much for the documentation you provided. I'm sure these websites will be useful to me in the future as well.

jukesk9 · Oct 3, 2002

Originally posted by BaMerz
Dear Brother Elnaam, have you looked down and noticed that your feet are quite dusty? 

<IMG height=137 alt="Mr. Clean" src="http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/charlotte/images/mrclean_jingle_circle.gif" width=155 border=0>"Well I am shocked.  I thought I had taught VOW how to clean better than that." <IMG height=145 alt="" src="http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/goodies/images/screensaver.jpg" width=197 border=0>"There, that should take the dust away."

 

Thanks Mr. Clean!  See you at Mass!

Wolseley · Oct 3, 2002

Mr. Clean cleans dust and dirt and grime and grease in just a minute
Mr. Clean will clean your whole house, and everything that's in it!
Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean!

And remember: Ajax cleans like a White Tornado!

VOW · Oct 3, 2002

Oh, crud, now I'm gonna have old commercials spinning in my brain all day....

THANKS WOLS!
~VOW

Wolseley · Oct 3, 2002

ROFLMBO!!!

And remember: Wisk around the collar beats ring around the collar every time!

Wolseley · Oct 3, 2002

Join the Pepsi Generation, feelin' free, feelin' free....

Mercury for '68 has more of everything!

Charlie says: "Love my Good 'N Plenty! Don't know any other candy that I love so well!"

Cheetos! Cheese that goes crunch!

The minute you walked in the joint, I could tell you were a man of distinction! A real big spender! Hey, big spender! Spend a little time with me!

You can take Salem out of the country, but! You can't take the country out of Salem!

Try delicious Maxim iced! And then you can use your percolator for other things!

Wouldn't you really rather have a Buick? A Buick this year?

See the USA in your Chevrolet! America's inviting you to call!

Winston tastes good like (clap clap) cigarette should!

Suppose you couldn't afford to serve your friends Harvey's Bristol Cream. How would they know that you care?

Ai, yi, yi yi! I am the Frito Bandio!

I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony;
I'd like to buy the world a Coke, and keep it company!
(It's the real thing.....)

Choosy moms choose Jif!

Noxema! For healthy pores!

Barbasol, Barbasol! The magic shaving cream supreme that leaves your face so smooth and clean!

"Old Spice means quality," said the Captain to the bos'un
"So look for the package with the ship that sails the ocean!"
Yo-ho! Yo-ho!

Only her hairdresser knows for sure!

VOW · Oct 3, 2002

Sqwak!

"Pretty Shirt"

(Wolseley, you RAT!)

Peace,
~VOW

Wolseley · Oct 3, 2002

Pfeiffer is the one beer to have when you're only having one!

Mabel! Another Black Label! Cold Black Label beer!

My beer is Rheingold, the Dry Beer!

You can trust your car to the man who wears the Star!
The big bright Texaco Star!

Chock Full o' Nuts is the heavenly coffee....

I can't believe I ate the whole thing!

How did I do it? With my big white beautiful teeth---and Pepsodent!

'Cause a kid'll eat the middle of an Oreo first, and save the chocolate cookie outsides for last.

"Fruit juicy, fruit juicy.....hey! How 'bout a nice Hawaiian Punch?"

Meet the Swinger! The Polaroid Swinger!

Hot dogs! Armour hot dogs! What kind of kids eat Armour hot dogs?

My dog's better than your dog, my dog's better than yours! My dog's better 'cause he eats Ken-l Ration, my dog's better than yours!

Yes, I'm afraid that just like every other Baby Boomer, I spent waaaay too much of my youth parked in front of a TV set!

KC Catholic · Oct 3, 2002

Acient Chinese secret, huh?

Wolseley · Oct 3, 2002

LOL!!!!

"My husband! Some hotshot!"

East meets West, La Choy makes Chinese food.....swing American!

(Wolseley, you RAT!)

Now, now---settle down, VOW. Remember: "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!"

VOW · Oct 3, 2002

Laura Scudder potato chips are the noisiest chips in the wo-ooorld!

Laura Scudder potato chips are the noisiest chips in the wo-ooorld!

Laura Scudder potato chips are the noisiest chips in the wo-ooorld!

The neat new spaghetti, you can eat with a spoon! Uh-oh, Spagetti-os!

I'd like to teach, the world to sing, in perfect har-monyyyyyy...
I'd like to buy the world a Coke, and keep it com-panyyyyyyyy

Grow, grow, grow with Lang-Lang-Langendorf Bread!
It's ov-ov-ovenly!

(I can see it now, I'm NOT going to get any work done today!)

Peace,
~VOW

jukesk9 · Oct 3, 2002

<IMG alt="surprise guy" src="http://www.chick.com/images/surprise.gif" align=right>"NO!  Not Chick-a-way!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jukesk9 · Oct 3, 2002

 <IMG src="http://www.jesus-fish.net/cathgraphicsweb/animcanon937.gif">

 

Like garlic to a vampire, Chick-a-Way keeps Jack Chick away.

<IMG height=92 src="http://www.jesus-fish.net/cathgraphicsweb/animlitany.gif" width=314>

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