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FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

Our military is not “flying free” as most Americans believe. As a majority of the airlines do not provide discount fares for the military, the men and women actively serving our country are paying for their own flights home during leave and – in many instances – are paying higher fares than most of the public. The reason for this is that they are unable to book their tickets in advance as their leaves are not always granted 21, 14 nor 7 days in advance.

http://www.petitiononline.com/BSMMIL/

Here is an online petition.... please sign

Does anyone know how to get this posted to all the forum members?
 
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Does anyone know how to get this posted to all the forum members?


You're not allowed to spam.

Secondly, don't forget that a large proportion of the posters here are not American and couldn't care less about this. Don't make assumptions about people wanting to hear about this. They might report it as spamming.
 
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Interesting that's its always the same two people complaining, eh?

Shake a tree....

I don't think what I said was any nastier than the insensitive nature of vis' post wishing to spam us all with her political agenda.

I can't help it if I'm zealous for the rules. If I've hurt vis' feeling, let HER tell me and I'll gladly edit. You two (and vis) still owe me an apology, and I haven't forgotten.
 
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They aren't flying "Space A" anymore?

When my dad was military and sent away on a flight, the Military booked it to where he was sent to work. They booked his flight back also. Most the flights were booked as "Space Available". Sure, he'd get bumped to another flight, but he still made it there and wasn't spending anything out of pocket.

Leaving due to RedCross related reasons (someone in the family died or other health emergencies) he had to pay for his flight or suppliment payment after the fact.

I do know that if you are flying for bereavement causes, you can bring the death certificate and get discounts.

I wonder if there is a better way to find out from military ombudsmen and local bases if this is true? I know things have changed in the last 8 years, but I doubt it has changed that much...

Personal Leave has *always* in the time we were in the military been something you as the worker/dependent are responsible for. Those flights and car trips and train rides are not free and to the best of my knowledge of the past 26 years hasn't been...

Personal Leave is just that... Vacation... and generally you do know when it is coming up, except on these tours of duty that people are getting now in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan (generally those who are national guard are not getting the heads up). It's still the same in Europe as it was over 10 years ago. My friends still in the military are paying for their vacation trips home to the States..
 
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more here: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=113639

ETA (if the link doesn't come up)

Q. I want to know if such services exist?
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This service does indeed exist. I believe the term you are looking for
is 'Space A travel', or 'military hops'. Space A allows military
members to travel to CONUS and OCONUS military locations for free or a
minimal boarding fee. This service is delivered on availability, and a
first come, first serve basis.

CONUS - Continental United States
OCONUS - Outside Continental United States

This site gives us more details on this service than we could ever use
:

Space Available Information
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~oard/spacea/

This service is available to all the following branches of service and
reserve components, so your son definitely qualifies :

- United States Army and Reserve
- United States Navy and Reserve
- Unites States Coast Guard and Reserve
- United States Marine Corps and Reserve

The flights are only available on military owned and operated
aircraft, so it's much different than flying a commercial flight. An
example aircraft that might be used for a military hop would be a
C130. I flew on a C130 from Okinawa, Japan, to Osan, Korea for a
little shopping trip, and admit the process can be a little daunting.
There are a few 'commercial type' aircraft in use, but they are
definitely few. I'll attempt to make the instructions as easy as
possible in the next part of this answer.


Q. How can he utilize the Space A travel program?
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This is where your son has to do a little bit of research. Many
flights are flown on a regular schedule, while some are flown on the
'drop of a hat'. I'll list the process by numbers, and then further
explain what each step entails. Before I do that though, I highly
recommend purchasing a book that will offer a list of all the
available flights, contact information, and requirements. The best
book for this is published by Military Living and can be found here :

Military Living Space A
http://www.militaryliving.com/books.html

Now - onto the process of actually using the 'military hop' service :

1) You must first find a destination base that is as close to where
you are trying to go. You will also need to find the closest one where
you would like to leave from. We need to ensure the bases chosen
indeed offer this service, so you'll probably really want that book
right about now :) In the meantime, here is a map of the United
States that allows you to peruse by state, to find a base that
participates in Space A travel. I also put a link to a site that goes
into far more detail that I ever possibly could. It tells you
everything you need to know to get you started.

Space A Map (not inclusive)
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~oard/spacea/howto.html

How to Plan Space A Trips
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~oard/spacea/howto.html


2) Once you have a few bases/airfields in mind, and your dates loosely
set, you can begin to start looking for flights that fit your
criteria. This can sometimes be a pain, but the service is free. You
may have to look for connecting flights, keeping your eyes open for
flights that deviate due to unknown reasons and much more. There are
tons of places on the web with information on available flights, in
fact too many to list. Here is a list of contacts for Army bases
within the United States to get you started :

Army Aviation Facilities with Fixed Wing Passenger Capable Aircraft
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~oard/spacea/armylist.html

At the same site, the author suggests a good guidebook, and I cannot
stress enough how much burden this will take off the research time :

"While some information about that can be found on these web pages,
there is no substitute for a good guidebook and either some experience
or a lot of phone calls."
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~oard/spacea/howto.html

3) Then proceed to contact the bases for more information to include :

- Departure times
- Arrival times
- Estimated available seats
- Time to show up

I was able to locate a few solid lists of resource sites that offer
information for specific bases :

CONUS Terminals with destinations
Click on the link that says 'Continental United States (CONUS) AMC
Terminals'
https://amcpublic.scott.af.mil/spacea/24_203.htm

Military Space A travel
http://vetstravel.net/vetstravel.index.html#mwr

Space A Facilities Listings
http://spacea.info/


4) Double check and research more :) Researching what experiences
others have had is a great way to get more information before leaving.
I also recommend chat sites and forums that cater specifically to this
subject. Here are some that you should find useful :

Dirk Pepperd's Space-a WWWBoard
http://pepup.hypermart.net/wwwboard/wwwboard.html

About.com Military Guide
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/leavespacea/

Military.com Space A Travel
http://www.military.com/Travel/SpaceATravel/0,11886,57,00.htm

FAQ's about Space A travel
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/military/space-a/


You will also need to know everything you should bring with you.
Traveling outside the United States often requires a passport, even
for military personnel. The Military.com site also offers great
insight on this subject :

What should I bring?
http://www.military.com/Travel/Content?file=space_a_flight_bring01.htm&area=Content


I think I have gathered enough resources to get you started. I wanted
to keep the answer to a *readable* level, and not confuse you. Just
remember to be flexible, as this service does have it's downfalls. It
requires meticulous planning and an average temperament :)

You only get issued a one way ticket, so you have to do the same
process over again for a return flight. Once you completed your first
flight, the process seems to get a little easier to follow and
manipulate.
 
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How soon can we vote to get rid of these nasty, rude and arrogant mods that do nothing for us but become a constant thorn in our sides? :sigh:

And you women that cheer him on, you better go examine your hearts. :( You know who you are.
Ha ha ha...... don't you know, simply, you're a sheep in the midst of wolves? No matter where you live, no matter if your neighbors 'seem' 'nice', if you love the truth you are going to be persecuted.
Yeshua said, "When this happens, leap for joy !"
Shalom Sheep !
 
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Sorry... no political agenda... just thought it was crazy that miliary people should pay for returning home... thats all.

Yes, dreadful really.

The gov't is looking after its people less and less it seems.
 
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