Jesus didn't quote from "Catholic" books

Can I giggle here please?

Sorry...that's too funny!

My first thought would be no, this is not true.

I am sure Wols may have some additional comments.

Frustrating though, isn't it?

Btw....WELCOME to our forum!

Well, I don't think there is a direct quote made by Jesus; but He comes close in a couple different places:

Luke 12:19-20 (NAB): And I shall say to myself, "Now as for you, you have so many good things stored up for many years, rest, eat, drink, be merry!" But God said to him, "You fool, this night your life will be demanded of you; and the things you have prepared, to whom will they belong?"

Compare with:

Sirach 11:19 (NAB): "When he says, I have found rest, now I will feast on my possessions, He does not know how long it will be till he dies and leaves them to others".

Luke 18:22 (NAB): "Sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor, and you will have a treasure in heaven."

Compare with:

Sirach 29:11 (NAB): "Dispose of your treasure as the Most High commands, for that will profit you more than silver and gold."

You might also try these:


Matthew 6:10, He referenced 1Maccabees 3:60
Matthew 6:12, He referenced Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 28:2
Matthew 6:13, He referenced Sirach 33:1
Matthew 7:12, and Luke 6:31, He referenced Tobit 4:16
Matthew 11:25, He quoted Tobit 7:18
Matthew 12:42, He quoted the Book of Wisdom itself
Matthew 13:43, He quoted Wisdom 3:7
Matthew 16:18, He quoted Wisdom 16:13
Matthew 24:16, He quoted 1Maccabees 2:28
Mark 4:5,16-17, He quoted Sirach 40:15
Mark 7:6-8, He quoted Isaiah 29:13
Mark 9:47-48, He quoted Judith 16:17
Luke 13:29, He quoted Baruch 4:37
Luke 21:24, He quoted Sirach 28:18
John 1:3, He quoted Wisdom 9:1
John 3:13, He quoted Baruch 3:29
John 4:48, He quoted Wisdom 8:8
John 5:18, He quoted Wisdom 2:16
John 6:35-59, He quoted Sirach 24:21
John 14:23, He referenced Sirach 2:15-16, (Septuagint) or Sirach 2:18 (Confraternity).
John 15:6, He referenced Wisdom 4:5.

That isn't my list, and I haven't checked all of them, so do double-check before you use them as proof-texts.

I have been planning to go through the entire NT, chapter by chapter, and do an exhaustive reference check with the Deuterocanonical books, just to see how many times they are quoted, and by whom. When I get that done (and I'm going to get started very soon now), I'll let you know.

See why I am Wols padawon?

Your adulation is flattering, Grasshopper. But remember that we, as created beings, are of equal stature.

I do believe, and Master Wols can probably back this up, that Jesus quoted or referred to some books that aren't part of the canon and have been lost.....

I wanna be a Wols Jedi too!

Hey Wols, is the Apocrypha Canon?

Originally posted by Catholic In Maine
Does anyone know if, in fact, Jesus did quote from ALL the other books of the Old Testament and if he quoted from any books that are not in the Biblle at all?

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No, the New Testament does NOT reference every book found in the Old Testament. In his book, By What Authority? : An Evangelical Discovers Catholic Tradition, Mark Shea gives the example of Ecclesiastes, possibly the most depressing book found in the Old Testament. It is never cited in the New Testament whatsoever.

Originally posted by s0uljah
Hey Wols, is the Apocrypha Canon?

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What Protestants call "apocrypha" (derived from Greek for "hidden"), Catholics call "deuterocanonical" (Latin for "second canon"). This is not to mean that these books are inferior to the first canon (protocanon), it is frankly, a designation that was necessary post-Reformation.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm

Now, there ARE apocryphal books (ie: Gospel of Thomas for instance) which are NOT a part of the canon and are not to be used to develop an understanding of Jesus Christ (for instance the Gospel of Thomas has a strong gnostic influence to it) from which to develop dogma and doctrine. The fact of the matter is, the word "apocrypha" is yet again a word that was hijacked and it's meaning twisted by the Reformation. When Catholics and Protestants speak of the word, they are envisioning two completely different sets of books.

Books of the OT not quoted by the NT:

Judges, 1 Chronicles, Esther, Ruth, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Ezra, Lamentations, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Nahum, and Zephaniah

Hey Wols, is the Apocrypha Canon?

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Protestants call the Deuterocanonical books "the Apocrypha".

What we call apocrypha, the Protestants call "pseudepigrapha".

So I guess you 'd say if you're Catholic, the Protestant-termed Apocrypha is canonical, and if you're Catholic, the Catholic-termed Apocrypha is not.

All clear now?

No its not clear dang it!! Are the books like Sirach etc of the same validity as the rest of the OT, according to Catholics???

LOL. Okay, here: These books are canonical Scripture, according to the Catholic Church:

1 Maccabees

2 Maccabees

Judith

Sirach

Wisdom

Tobit

Baruch

and additional chapters in both Esther and Daniel.

Protestants call these seven books and extra chapters "apocryphal". We call them "Deuterocanonical".

Does that help?