Is it always like this?

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It used to be a cool open place no matter where on the scale you fell. Any MJ (or Jew) was welcome at all ends of the spectrum. Discussion was vibrant, and teaching/sharing was the main point. The forum then changed to a strong Christian leaning and pushed out heavy Judaic thought. "Icons" were introduced, and rules forcibly kept those of a Judaic leaning quiet. The moderators became heavy handed. That was when myself, and several others left. Some of us have come back, but obviously not to open arms... so whatever.

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It used to be a cool open place no matter where on the scale you fell. Any MJ (or Jew) was welcome at all ends of the spectrum. Discussion was vibrant, and teaching/sharing was the main point. The forum then changed to a strong Christian leaning and pushed out heavy Judaic thought. "Icons" were introduced, and rules forcibly kept those of a Judaic leaning quiet. The moderators became heavy handed. That was when myself, and several others left. Some of us have come back, but obviously not to open arms... so whatever.

peace.
Much of that stemmed from Erwin banning the Jewish and Non-Trinitarian members from posting in MJ. It was fought but we lost and therefore lost even the fellowship of many posters. :(

I wish Erwin would make up his mind on what he wants.
 
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Before the original decision by Erwin to no longer allow
Jews or non-trinitarians to post openly here, things
were as a whole civilized. Occasionaly things would
get heated, but seldom. I think eliminating Jews and
non-trins changed the balance to something not
desirable. Hopefully once the new rules get set,
things will settle down and we can have a peaceful
forum, open to civilized discussion from all points
of view.
I do agree-and this is not to criticize anyone
person- that the moderation here did get
excessively heavy handed. If you did not
follow one law/FFOZ you were jumped on-
and if you followed "rabbinical" teachings
too much, same result....
hopefully all points of view will be able to
be expressed here now.
 
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I wonder if I were to remove my icon is that then less offensive to more people? I am so very uncomfortable with disputes and debates that I never really know where I can say much of anything in the forum. I learn so much here and read a lot. Sometimes the arguing feels awkward but truly it is not mine to comment on. I am blessed to be here all the same.
shalom,
mat
 
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It didn't used to be, I have been going back a few years and reminiscing, and brought up a few good threads we were discussing on, go take a look, we weren't all that bad. :)
:amen:

Much of that stemmed from Erwin banning the Jewish and Non-Trinitarian members from posting in MJ. It was fought but we lost and therefore lost even the fellowship of many posters. :(

I wish Erwin would make up his mind on what he wants.
it is isnt it?^_^Its up to you all now Erwin said so:p

I wonder if I were to remove my icon is that then less offensive to more people? I am so very uncomfortable with disputes and debates that I never really know where I can say much of anything in the forum. I learn so much here and read a lot. Sometimes the arguing feels awkward but truly it is not mine to comment on. I am blessed to be here all the same.
shalom,
mat
you are a precious newbee Mat I hope we dont scare you off
right PEOPLE:thumbsup:
 
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Is this forum, a space dedicated to discussing G-D, always such a blood bath? :cry:

No, it isn't. Perhaps we (including yourself) should all take note of the topics, nature and tone of our posts.

Keep mindful that the forum is not essentially about teaching other religions other than the Christian one.

All are welcome, but don't be surprised if you bring up a controversial or provocative post and you get a less than friendly response.

This goes for all of us.
 
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I come from Jewish blood from both mother and father, I do not observe anything but the sabbath. It makes me sad to see these posts on here, sounds a lot like the Pharisees. This is pathetic, to all the people that want to fight among themselves you are no better than the people with no faith, because you have little to fight like fools. Try some humility, it goes a long way, I used to be just like you, fight and debate endless, foolish arguments, ask yourself if you do it for your glory and ego or for God? Get over yourselves cause we are your brothers and sisters whether you like it or not.

God Bless

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Keep mindful that the forum is not essentially about teaching other religions other than the Christian one.

I thought that since this was a Messianic Jewish forum, it would be ok to discuss Judaism. My apologies then, I will refrain from teaching anything that has to do with Judaism from now on. The last thing I mean is to offend you in any way.

All are welcome, but don't be surprised if you bring up a controversial or provocative post and you get a less than friendly response.

This goes for all of us.

In general, I don't think I got any unfriendly response. Maybe one or two I may have misinterpreted as I'm not a nativie English-speaker, but all in all the posters have been friendly to me. I was referring to the great amount of name-calling, accusations, and disrespect towards other religions and other interpretations within the same religion. Kind of like: "Believe like me, or you'll burn in hell" kind of attitude.

If you guys consider yourselves a sect within Judaism, then there is one thing you must get used to: wherever there are two Jews, there are three opinions.

Remember the hilarious arguing scene in 'Fiddler on the roof'?

Anyway, if discussing traditional Judaism is not appropriate here, I will do more lurking and less posting. I mean to learn, not to offend. :thumbsup:

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Is this forum, a space dedicated to discussing G-D, always such a blood bath? :cry:
It's like going to a loud busy bazaar or market in the middleeast with a few seekers of Truth and trying to talk openly with them and with the passersby/listeners-in participating - most of the crowd is. . . . well, does it matter ? (just realize that most of the crowd is not obedient no matter what name/label they carry)
the froum may have appeared more civil days or years past, but it was still a lot like a whitewashed pine box for those unaware
- never think it is/was a safe haven nor fountain of information to live by; more like a wadi in the desert with a bunch of skeletons around it (would you drink the water if you could see the skeletons?)
 
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No, it isn't. Perhaps we (including yourself) should all take note of the topics, nature and tone of our posts.

Keep mindful that the forum is not essentially about teaching other religions other than the Christian one.

All are welcome, but don't be surprised if you bring up a controversial or provocative post and you get a less than friendly response.

This goes for all of us.
Everyone, please excuse Contra, he is anglican and does not speak for the messianic faith.
 
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I thought that since this was a Messianic Jewish forum, it would be ok to discuss Judaism. My apologies then, I will refrain from teaching anything that has to do with Judaism from now on. The last thing I mean is to offend you in any way.

No need to back off that much. It's ok.

I'm just saying that sometimes it is not taken terribly well.
 
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Everyone, please excuse Contra, he is anglican and does not speak for the messianic faith.


This topic has nothing to do with theology- but since you brought that up....I'll take your bait..

...do you not think it is rather weird for you to say a Jew who has found the Messiah knows nothing about the "Messianic faith"- I *am living* the Messianic faith as I understand it. I've paid for it in ways you can only read about.

I'm yet to be convinced there is a consensus among the posters here as to exactly what the Messianic faith is. I hope and wish for the day though. Aren't you being rather presumptive here?

Should a person be silenced and shunned because you don't feel they agree with you? (even though you've never even asked them about their faith?)

The other Messianic Jews told me this kind of comment was going to happen. Now, I know they were right. I should have been better prepared.
 
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