Hey THUNDER,
That was an excellent rundown on biblical geology. I will spend a bit more time looking into it.
I think you have had a revelation on who Gog is too. I think your right there. Gog is the angel of Magog. Thanks man , that has to be what Gog is.
Although Gog was mentioned in the Israelite genealogies along with Magog.
It mentions Magog`s birthright in genesis as well as 1 chronicles were also mentions the sons of Joel and one of them was Gog.
1 Chronicles 1:4-6 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
1 Chronicles 5:3-5 The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, Gog his son, Shimei his son.
Look at this scripture, it says that Gog is the prince but I would have thought that Magog was the prince since he was the eldest of Tubal, and Meshech but it says that Gog is the prince even though Gog wasn`t born until hundreds of years later.
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Either way, I wonder wether these genealogies had anything to do with what Ezekiel meant, was he using them as figurative or is this Ezekiel using there place of settlement as a compose as you seem to have said and I also believe?????
One thing that I notice though, Gog is a Hebrew. Gog came through ruebans line a rejected line. Joseph took his birthright. Magog was generations earlier with the son of noah as his father, Japheth
Ezekiel 39:1-2 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
I wonder if this scripture sheds light on anything concerning were Gog would have been living.
1 Chronicles 5
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Beerah his son, whom Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria carried away captive: he was prince of the Reubenites.
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And his brethren by their families, when the genealogy of their generations was reckoned, were the chief, Jeiel, and Zechariah,
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And Bela the son of Azaz, the son of Shema, the son of Joel, who dwelt in Aroer, even unto Nebo and Baalmeon:
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And eastward he inhabited unto the entering in of the wilderness from the river Euphrates: because their cattle were multiplied in the land of Gilead.
Do you know were this place is today THUNDER ???
who dwelt in Aroer, even unto Nebo and Baalmeon And eastward he inhabited unto the entering in of the wilderness from the river Euphrates::
There are a couple of thing that I would like to ask you , about this Armageddon???
I have my own understanding on allot of biblical things but I am not familiar with vocabulary that is foreign in the bible. Words like rapture and trinity and the over using of many other words.
My point is, I understand what I believe but I am not always shore how others see things so I am going to ask you some questions about this war even though I already have my own ideas but I would like to understand how it is seen by the Christian churches.
I am mainly referring to the word rapture and the meaning of Armageddon in this instance.
The rapture I will address latter but I wonder what your understanding of Armageddon is.
So hears my Q`s;
These scriptures that I have pasted are just a few to show my point and then I will see were you are coming from.
I put this to you, not because I think your wrong but because I am not shore I am right.
So, revelations 16 and 17 (and other bible scriptures) seem to be using some similar terms as Ezekiel 38 and 39 and revelations 20 and 21.
But
They appear to be very different events.
Why??? Because rev 16 and 17 are talking about the 10 tribes and the vatican and the anti Christ
D as I have said I believe before) and this is a time coming up soon were there will be a catching away of jesus people just before he returns with 10 thousand saints (I wonder if they were those caught up before he returns) to claim the earth for 1000 yrs of peace.
But
It appears that this war of Gog and Magog are after that thousand years of peace and is the last battle before the great judgment.
This is simply my own understanding of what the bible says, so I was hoping you might be able to shed some light on weather this thousand years of peace will come before the great war of Gog and Magog before the great judgment.???
More simply put;
Isnt there 1000 yrs of peace first before this war in Ezekiel 38????
Is the war in revelations 20 after the 1000 yrs with Gog and Magog the same war in Ezekiel????
Revelation 16
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And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
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And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
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For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
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Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
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And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
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And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
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And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
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That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
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And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
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And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20
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And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
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And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
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And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
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And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
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And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
So , looking at rev 20 v 7-8
Can you see what I mean hear???? Is the Gog war the one coming up before jesus returns or after 1000 yrs peace when Satan is loosed to muster Gog and Magog together against Jeruselum with the rest of the world????
Thanks.
Celtic