Is Jesus Still In His Physical-Resurrected Body?

Arriving · Jun 19, 2007

So after Jesus was resurected and was walking the earth for a little while meeting up with his disciples and so on, what do you think happened to him? did he leave his resurected body or is he still living in it? if he is does that mean he's just in his kingdom all the time or is it possible he could be walking around earth today? and if he's not in his initially resurrected body, what form do you think he's in now and at the end of the world, do you think he'll just transform into the human appearance he used to have?
also, if he's in his kingdom right now, what is he doing, where is it and how did he get there?

PaladinValer · Jun 19, 2007

Arriving said:
So after Jesus was resurected and was walking the earth for a little while meeting up with his disciples and so on, what do you think happened to him?

He ascended to heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. -paraphrase from the Nicene Creed.

did he leave his resurected body or is he still living in it?

Does not the Bible say that He left with it?

if he is does that mean he's just in his kingdom all the time or is it possible he could be walking around earth today?

1. His Kingdom is the Church.
2. Where did you get, out of pure honest curiosity, the idea that He'd still be walking around?

and if he's not in his initially resurrected body, what form do you think he's in now and at the end of the world, do you think he'll just transform into the human appearance he used to have?

Those who don't think so aren't believing in or teaching Christianity but Manicheanism.

also, if he's in his kingdom right now, what is he doing, where is it and how did he get there?

The Kingdom is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (again, see the Nicene Creed). He is sitting next to the right hand of the Father in heaven, the Church Triumphant, right now (Creed). He got there as the Bible and the Fathers say: He ascended to heaven. Heaven is not "above" us but a completely different realm beyond time and space. It is impossible to get there unless you are brought there by God, although heaven and our material realm shall be joined at the Last Day into eternity.

LLWHA · Jun 20, 2007

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the Sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places.
24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because inequity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
24:14 And this gospel of "the KINGDOM" shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the Holy Place (Mt. Moriah, Jerusalem), (whoso readeth, let him understand

24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the Winter, neither on the Sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great oppression, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
24:24 For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very Elect.
24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

{{24:32 Now learn a parable of the Fig tree (Jews); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (1948), ye know that Summer [is] nigh:}}
24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the end) is near, [even] at the doors.
24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
24:36 But of That Day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
24:37 But as the days of Noah [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

The fig tree is the Jews in the Bible like The Olive tree is Israel. So I believe the Message here is That Jesus is here now. This is the end times. The Generation I believe means 100 years. So from 1948 till 2048 that would be the latest its all over.

Of course 1948 is when the Jews went back to the Holy-Land.

Jesus is more than likely like Noah. He is someplace warning people but no one is listening and just going on about their business. imho

Yes Jesus could be here Now. Again this is my humble opinion.

The Coming of the Son of ManMt. 24.29-35, 42-44 · Lk. 21.25-36 24 ¶ But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, Is. 13.10 · Ezek. 32.7 · Joel 2.31 · Rev. 6.12, 13 and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds Dan. 7.13 · Rev. 1.7 with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 ¶ Now learn a parable of the fig tree: When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 so ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Monergism · Jun 27, 2007

Do you believe in the bodily Resurrection? The Lord rose from the dead, and not only did Thomas touch where He wounds were at, but He also ate with the Disciples. Also, Paul writes,

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" (Col. 1:18).

"For in Chist all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Col. 2:9).

cajunhillbilly · Jul 1, 2007

PaladinValer said:
He ascended to heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. -paraphrase from the Nicene Creed.

Does not the Bible say that He left with it?

1. His Kingdom is the Church.
2. Where did you get, out of pure honest curiosity, the idea that He'd still be walking around?

Those who don't think so aren't believing in or teaching Christianity but Manicheanism.

The Kingdom is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (again, see the Nicene Creed). He is sitting next to the right hand of the Father in heaven, the Church Triumphant, right now (Creed). He got there as the Bible and the Fathers say: He ascended to heaven. Heaven is not "above" us but a completely different realm beyond time and space. It is impossible to get there unless you are brought there by God, although heaven and our material realm shall be joined at the Last Day into eternity.

i like your statement.

GratiaCorpusChristi · Jul 11, 2007

Monergism said:
Do you believe in the bodily Resurrection? The Lord rose from the dead, and not only did Thomas touch where He wounds were at, but He also ate with the Disciples. Also, Paul writes,

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" (Col. 1:18).

"For in Chist all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Col. 2:9).

Exactly.

Lives.

Not lived.

Caesar was emperor. Victoria was queen. Jesus is Lord!

mythbuster · Jul 22, 2007

Is Jesus Still In His Physical-Resurrected Body?

We sing this song to the tune of "Oh Come all Ye Faithful"
The first verse goes like this:
There's a Man in the glory
Whose Life is for me.
He's pure and He's Holy,
triumphant and free.
He's wise and He's loving,
How tender is He.
His life in the glory
My life must be.
His life in the glory
My life must be.

The point is we enjoy Him as a Man in the Glory.
Stephen saw the Son of Man in Acts 7:56 And he said, Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.
Quite amazing! There is a man in the Glory!

Simonline · Jul 22, 2007

Arriving said:
So after Jesus was resurected and was walking the earth for a little while meeting up with his disciples and so on, what do you think happened to him? did he leave his resurected body or is he still living in it? if he is does that mean he's just in his kingdom all the time or is it possible he could be walking around earth today? and if he's not in his initially resurrected body, what form do you think he's in now and at the end of the world, do you think he'll just transform into the human appearance he used to have?
also, if he's in his kingdom right now, what is he doing, where is it and how did he get there?

Since the Messiah is ONE PERSON simultaneously existing in TWO WAYS by means of His TWO DISTINCT NATURES (one Divine, the other human) then it is inconceivable that the Messiah could exist as a resurrected human being without being incarnate in a resurrected human body. As the angels declared to the disciples after the Messiah's ascension "Men of Galilee, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you, into Heaven, will return in the same way that you have seen Him go into Heaven." (Acts.1:11). Thus we know that the Messiah is currently with His Father in Heaven but even there He is still corporeal (albeit with a resurrected body that is capable of dual existence within the two realms, amongst other things (an existence which presumably we will share with the Messiah once we too have been resurrected?).

The very idea that Judeo-Christianity is about existence as non-corporeal entities is absolutely anathema. Such teaching is Gnostic heresy.

Simonline.

Kristos · Jul 22, 2007

It's out of season but,

Christ IS Risen!

Simonline · Jul 24, 2007

Kristos said:
It's out of season but,

Christ IS Risen!

I know it's out of season but...

He IS Risen Indeed! :clap:

Simonline.

mythbuster · Jul 24, 2007

Its always the season,
He is the resurrection.

WTM · Aug 9, 2007

Since the Messiah is ONE PERSON simultaneously existing in TWO WAYS by means of His TWO DISTINCT NATURES (one Divine, the other human) then it is inconceivable that the Messiah could exist as a resurrected human being without being incarnate in a resurrected human body. As the angels declared to the disciples after the Messiah's ascension "Men of Galilee, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you, into Heaven, will return in the same way that you have seen Him go into Heaven." (Acts.1:11). Thus we know that the Messiah is currently with His Father in Heaven but even there He is still corporeal (albeit with a resurrected body that is capable of dual existence within the two realms, amongst other things (an existence which presumably we will share with the Messiah once we too have been resurrected?).

This gets at the heart of what I take the initial inquiry to be about. If Jesus was bodily resurrected, and if he then bodily ascended, then where is his body now? With the Father? OK, but if Christ had a bodily resurrection / ascension, then he must be with the Father in a bodily sense. That means that he must occupy space and time. This is where it gets tricky.

If we fly far enough in a rocket ship, will we find the spatial-temporal location of Jesus' body?

The logical conclusion is that we must, at least in theory, be able to find him somewhere. But, if we think about it eschatologically, this is not the case. The space and time that Jesus occupies bodily after the ascension is that within which we will join him at his final parousia. It is beyond the spatial-temporal bounds of our lived existence, but it is still a form of our existence. It is simply a form of human existence that none but Jesus has yet experienced, and in which we will one day live with him.

So, where is Jesus bodily? In the eschatological kingdom, waiting for the fullness of time when we will join him there.

derevth.blogspot.com

GratiaCorpusChristi · Aug 9, 2007

WTM said:
This gets at the heart of what I take the initial inquiry to be about. If Jesus was bodily resurrected, and if he then bodily ascended, then where is his body now? With the Father? OK, but if Christ had a bodily resurrection / ascension, then he must be with the Father in a bodily sense. That means that he must occupy space and time. This is where it gets tricky.

If we fly far enough in a rocket ship, will we find the spatial-temporal location of Jesus' body?

The logical conclusion is that we must, at least in theory, be able to find him somewhere. But, if we think about it eschatologically, this is not the case. The space and time that Jesus occupies bodily after the ascension is that within which we will join him at his final parousia. It is beyond the spatial-temporal bounds of our lived existence, but it is still a form of our existence. It is simply a form of human existence that none but Jesus has yet experienced, and in which we will one day live with him.

So, where is Jesus bodily? In the eschatological kingdom, waiting for the fullness of time when we will join him there.

derevth.blogspot.com

Bingo!

Rarely have I seen anyone take such an eschatological look at the ascension here on CF. Have you read any Moltmann or Pannenburg, by chance??

pgp_protector · Aug 9, 2007

WTM said:
This gets at the heart of what I take the initial inquiry to be about. If Jesus was bodily resurrected, and if he then bodily ascended, then where is his body now? With the Father? OK, but if Christ had a bodily resurrection / ascension, then he must be with the Father in a bodily sense. That means that he must occupy space and time. This is where it gets tricky.

If we fly far enough in a rocket ship, will we find the spatial-temporal location of Jesus' body?

The logical conclusion is that we must, at least in theory, be able to find him somewhere. But, if we think about it eschatologically, this is not the case. The space and time that Jesus occupies bodily after the ascension is that within which we will join him at his final parousia. It is beyond the spatial-temporal bounds of our lived existence, but it is still a form of our existence. It is simply a form of human existence that none but Jesus has yet experienced, and in which we will one day live with him.

So, where is Jesus bodily? In the eschatological kingdom, waiting for the fullness of time when we will join him there.

derevth.blogspot.com

That's assuming 3D space.
But if the Ascension is also travel through one or more of the 11(??) dimintions, then who knows.

GratiaCorpusChristi · Aug 9, 2007

pgp_protector said:
That's assuming 3D space.
But if the Ascension is also travel through one or more of the 11(??) dimintions, then who knows.

I think it's very problematic to put heaven somewhere inside creation, in whatever dimension.

WTM · Aug 9, 2007

Yeah, putting 'heaven' inside the created order totally kills any kind of Creator / creature distinction that you might have going - and having a robust account of that distinction is very important.

I have read a bit of Moltmann, and very little Pannenberg. But, I am very well educated in Barth and TF Torrance, both of whom are capable of this sort of eschatological discussion.

derevth.blogspot.com

GratiaCorpusChristi · Aug 9, 2007

WTM said:
Yeah, putting 'heaven' inside the created order totally kills any kind of Creator / creature distinction that you might have going - and having a robust account of that distinction is very important.

I have read a bit of Moltmann, and very little Pannenberg. But, I am very well educated in Barth and TF Torrance, both of whom are capable of this sort of eschatological discussion.

derevth.blogspot.com

Yes! I'm so thrilled to kind a Calvinist interested in serious, professional theology. All those guys are great. I'm especially a fan of Pannenburg and Torrance.

WTM · Aug 10, 2007

Thanks for the encouragement.

I don't call myself a Calvinist, although I am deeply appreciative of Calvin's theology and know him very very well. Instead, I simply consider myself to be part of the Reformed tradition.

Torrance and Pannenberg, eh? That seems a somewhat unlikely pair, and I would be interested in hearing about how you fit the two together.

GratiaCorpusChristi · Aug 10, 2007

WTM said:
Thanks for the encouragement.

I don't call myself a Calvinist, although I am deeply appreciative of Calvin's theology and know him very very well. Instead, I simply consider myself to be part of the Reformed tradition.

Torrance and Pannenberg, eh? That seems a somewhat unlikely pair, and I would be interested in hearing about how you fit the two together.

Don't see why but maybe I just haven't read enough. PM me sometime to ask specifics so we don't detrail the thread any more.

light_eclipseca · Aug 31, 2007

I'm reading Space, Time, and Incarnation by Torrence right now! This is a question I have always struggled with...If Christ has his phyical body right now, then he, by logical corollary must be in space and time. I'm only on the 1st of 3 chapters right now though. It's just talking about how God contains everything in himself and creation containing time.

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