3ABN Launched Lawsuit Against Bob Pickle and Gailon Joy

steffanphilip said:

Let's get your logic here. To get someone's attention, we will get churches to cancel their appearances so that they will pay attention. To whom? The churches?

We will spread allegations, rumors, smear them and then demand that they pay attention to us.

Yes, I can see that they will pay attention.

When ASI was asked to mediate questions regarding Linda's dismissal and the divorce, what did the Linda/Gailon/Pickle team do? They wanted to expand the scope of the investigation to everything and anything. Didn't they invite you into the inner sanctum, Daryl? When will you realize that you have been brain-washed and duped? Or are you willingly doing this just to feed your ego?

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Steffan, it is hard to get someone's logic when there isn't any. Those that have followed these allegations for any length of time has seen the common pattern with Daryl. He has the "little boy at the back of the class" syndrome of "pick me, pick me." In order to "be picked" he started his own savenot campaigne against 3abn. When that lost speed, he would post at bsda who has a much bigger membership. When that stalls at times, he comes here to CF and "brings" the topic with him while giving his own site PR in his internet travels. Not quite making it in the inner circle of pickle and joy and with not as large a membership as bsda he does what he needs to do to draw attention to himself and his site. Right now that is 3abn. If he only knew how much misinformation he is putting out there because most of it comes from the pickle/joy site/camp. Anyone can take an email and hack it up to make it mean what they want it to mean. Anyone can take an email and give it different background than what was originally intended to make it completely different. Anyone can say I have a friend who is very close to...and they told me...and.... someone who knows Danny & Linda both indicated that.....
That is the essence of the Pickle/Joy site and method. They have yet to prove any allegation with absolute proof other than what they have heard or been told.

If 3abn had so many terrible secrets to hide, they would never have filed a suit against Pickle and Joy knowing that many things will be opened up in a court of law.
Please let's not forget the fact that these 2 men are Linda's representatives!!. The bitter ex wife has 2 men become her spokespersons and they start a web site bad mouthing Danny and 3abn. Wow. What a shock! What does 2 + 2 equal?

djconklin said:

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.​

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.​

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
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After awhile you can start arguing the case yourself and beat the script writers to the line.

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And yet you will not apply the same standard of proof to the Gailon/Pickle allegations.

tomatoe said:

If 3abn had so many terrible secrets to hide, they would never have filed a suit against Pickle and Joy knowing that many things will be opened up in a court of law.

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And let's not forget that they were first asked to stop the smear. When they refused - thinking/saying "3ABN has too much to hide, they will never sue us because all those secrets will be exposed" - they were unpleasantly surprised with the lawsuit.

Now, the tune has changed from "they will never sue us" to "isn't this going against EGW counsel?"

And they conveniently forget that all the smears/allegations they have spread goes against the same counsel.

djconklin said:

And I watch the news frequently (ab't 6 times a day) via the internet. But, I have never ever read, or heard of, an interview with a killer of an abortion doctor so I wouldn't even presume to say how they think.

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Since you can't listen to all the news all the time, no doubt stuck somewhere on Pluto where you don't get Earth news, let me help you out:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/18/rudolph.sentencing/

In his statement Monday, Rudolph said he considered the bombings a "moral duty" to stop abortions,..."

steffanphilip said:

And they conveniently forget that all the smears/allegations they have spread goes against the same counsel.

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And you conveniently forget that buying a home from 3ABN for $6,139 and selling it a week later for $135,000 is highly unethical. Or have you done the right thing and complained about this to 3ABN?

And what about Danny's trying to convince Linda to commit ... is the write term tax fraud? ... regarding the donation of those horses? Are you not outraged that a man who writes a book about the 10 Commandments would do such a thing? Please be fair and show just a tad bit of outrage, or at least concern.

We tried to have ASI look into the various allegations, but Danny and his board refused to allow that to happen. Now if they had nothing to hide, why in the world did they refuse to let ASI look into it all?

Pickle said:

And you conveniently forget that buying a home from 3ABN for $6,139 and selling it a week later for $135,000 is highly unethical. Or have you done the right thing and complained about this to 3ABN?

And what about Danny's trying to convince Linda to commit ... is the write term tax fraud? ... regarding the donation of those horses? Are you not outraged that a man who writes a book about the 10 Commandments would do such a thing? Please be fair and show just a tad bit of outrage, or at least concern.

We tried to have ASI look into the various allegations, but Danny and his board refused to allow that to happen. Now if they had nothing to hide, why in the world did they refuse to let ASI look into it all?

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Why don't we get the full information from Linda as to why she participated in this "heinous" financial crime. Did you complain about this to Linda? Since this Linda is obviously upright and righteous to the nth degree, I'm sure by now she has made it right. Paid back the difference of her share of the house to the IRS, back to the donors, whatever. No? How outrageous!

Show some concern and outrage over something to an accuser of the brethren like you? Considering I started posting in response to some of your outrageous lies and allegations - that's rich!

The ASI board and 3ABN agreed completely to an investigation of the divorce and the proof thereof for the action. What did you/Linda/Gailon do? Demanded that everything in 3ABN be investigated. Such hypocrisy. First spread everywhere on the internet that there was "no proof" for the divorce - then, when the opportunity comes to investigate this claim, backpedal, delay and add more conditions.

That last statement of yours shows how willingly you twist things and state lies. ASI and 3ABN agreed - you/Gailon/Linda did not. And now you say just the opposite!

Pickle there is a logical and honest explination for the house/horses, ect.

I don't think you could see the truth if it starred you straight in the face.

who are things going pickel

steffanphilip said:

Did you complain about this to Linda?

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Sure.

steffanphilip said:

Since this Linda is obviously upright and righteous to the nth degree, ....

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Well, I'm not about to make that sort of judgment call at this point, but if you want to, you are free to do so.

steffanphilip said:

... I'm sure by now she has made it right. Paid back the difference of her share of the house to the IRS, back to the donors, whatever.

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She better make whatever right that she possibly can, since Scripture makes that a condition for forgiveness. But you forget one thing. If Danny still is in possession of most of the loot, then the greater share of what she needs to use to pay up is still under his control.

steffanphilip said:

The ASI board and 3ABN agreed completely to an investigation of the divorce and the proof thereof for the action. What did you/Linda/Gailon do? Demanded that everything in 3ABN be investigated. Such hypocrisy. First spread everywhere on the internet that there was "no proof" for the divorce - then, when the opportunity comes to investigate this claim, backpedal, delay and add more conditions.

That last statement of yours shows how willingly you twist things and state lies. ASI and 3ABN agreed - you/Gailon/Linda did not. And now you say just the opposite!

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Excuse me? Have you forgotten?

The 3ABN board voted on Sept. 24 to restrict the investigation to just the Linda question. Yet people within the GC or NAD thought that the Tommy Shelton allegations were on the table. Walt Thompson was so discourteous that he never let Gailon know about their decision to restrict the investigation like that. We didn't find out about that until Dec. 3, 10 weeks after the fact.

Further, I never spread around on the internet that the divorce had never taken place, that there was no "proof" for the divorce as you put it. Neither did I ever say that there was no proof that Linda had committed adultery until after I started investigating that aspect of the scandal around mid-December.

Further, you are incorrect when you state that 3ABN and ASI agreed but we did not. ASI pulled out of the negotiations before Linda had an opportunity to respond to Harold Lance's proposal of mid-December.

And Harold made it clear that both sides would be able to give input into the ground rules. Thus, we were free to make suggestions that would try to prevent making the whole thing sort of like a Roman Catholic canonical trial. We were opposed to the idea that only the "judges" were to be allowed to ask questions of the witnesses, and to the idea that no evidence was ever to see the light of day.

I for one felt that these two issues were important, for we needed to make sure that no one would have grounds to accuse ASI of being partial or biased. If only the "judges" could ask questions, then the losing party could claim that their questions never got asked. And if no evidence ever saw the light of day, then the losing party could easily claim that the whole thing was staged.

For some reason Harold did not seem to want to consider including these two suggestions from us, that both sides be able to ask questions of the witnesses, and that enough evidence be released to make sure that no questions or rumors would be left circulating.

Rosie55 said:

Pickle there is a logical and honest explination for the house/horses, ect.

I don't think you could see the truth if it starred you straight in the face.

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So are you saying what has been said before, that there is an explanation but you aren't going to tell me what it is?

And are you also saying that the IRS will buy that explanation, and that they already have? If so, can you give me the name and number of an IRS agent that I can confirm this with?

And yet you will not apply the same standard of proof to the Gailon/Pickle allegations.

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1) You have assumed I have not.

2) While I have not looked into this subject to the same depth and degree that I have on the plagiarism claim I have seen enough to suggest that there might be something to the claims.

3) When you are shown an email that so-and-so sent and they don't dispute that theye ever sent such an email that's pretty good evidence that they actually did send the email and that they said what is in the email.

You are assuming that there's nothing to the allegations. If there wasn't then 3ABN should have posted it on their web site a long time ago instread of going counter to the counsel of the Bible and suing perople and threatening to sue others.

We tried to have ASI look into the various allegations, but Danny and his board refused to allow that to happen. Now if they had nothing to hide, why in the world did they refuse to let ASI look into it all?

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Excellant question. This whole mess could have been ended a long time ago.

Originally Posted by djconklin
And I watch the news frequently (ab't 6 times a day) via the internet. But, I have never ever read, or heard of, an interview with a killer of an abortion doctor so I wouldn't even presume to say how they think.

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Since you can't listen to all the news all the time, no doubt stuck somewhere on Pluto where you don't get Earth news,

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If one walks into an argument and you don't know a thing about it but you want to know who is winning and who is losing there's a very simple test one can apply to any argument to see how it is going: watch and see how the posters respond to each other. The first one to throw mud is the loser.

If 3abn had so many terrible secrets to hide, they would never have filed a suit against Pickle and Joy knowing that many things will be opened up in a court of law.

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You are asuming that 3ABN ever wanted this to go to the courtroom in the first place. Some people sue hoping that the other side will run out of money first and cry "Uncle" and thus they win by default.

Yeah, that speaks loud and clear, except for the exceptionally obtuse.

djconklin said:

1) You have assumed I have not.

2) While I have not looked into this subject to the same depth and degree that I have on the plagiarism claim I have seen enough to suggest that there might be something to the claims.

3) When you are shown an email that so-and-so sent and they don't dispute that theye ever sent such an email that's pretty good evidence that they actually did send the email and that they said what is in the email.

You are assuming that there's nothing to the allegations. If there wasn't then 3ABN should have posted it on their web site a long time ago instread of going counter to the counsel of the Bible and suing perople and threatening to sue others.

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The official 3abn website would not be used to do something like that. There have been many e-mails posted that have said that there was nothing to most of the claims against Danny and 3abn. I've personally talked to Gailon Joy on the telephone and have found him to be less than courteous for sure. From what I have learned of his past he may be less than honest as well. Most of the stuff that these characters are spreading is nothing more than unsubstantiated gossip, nothing more. 3abn is under attack big time and the reason is not Danny Shelton per se', he's just the convenient target right now. The reason 3abn is under such a fierce attack is because of the fruit it produces which is spreading the gospel message of Jesus Christ around the world.

I've been following this mess for a few months now and the longer it goes on the worse it stinks. Also the longer it goes the more I see the author of who is really behind all of this. The problem is those who are polarized on which ever side they have chosen to be on seem to be blind to this fact.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Jimlarmore said:

The The reason 3abn is under such a fierce attack is because of the fruit it produces which is spreading the gospel message of Jesus Christ around the world.

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And you spread the gospel by bringing a trumped-up charge of adultery against your wife, and trading her in for a brand new secondhand model?

OOOOOOHHHH no you didn't Senti!

Ouch. That's all I can say to that one.

Jimlarmore said:

The official 3abn website would not be used to do something like that. There have been many e-mails posted that have said that there was nothing to most of the claims against Danny and 3abn. I've personally talked to Gailon Joy on the telephone and have found him to be less than courteous for sure. From what I have learned of his past he may be less than honest as well. Most of the stuff that these characters are spreading is nothing more than unsubstantiated gossip, nothing more. 3abn is under attack big time and the reason is not Danny Shelton per se', he's just the convenient target right now. The reason 3abn is under such a fierce attack is because of the fruit it produces which is spreading the gospel message of Jesus Christ around the world.

I've been following this mess for a few months now and the longer it goes on the worse it stinks. Also the longer it goes the more I see the author of who is really behind all of this. The problem is those who are polarized on which ever side they have chosen to be on seem to be blind to this fact.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

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Jim,

I have not been following the whole mess of what happened to Danny and Linda. They seemed like such a great couple.

Anyways, I believe that 3ABN is still a great ministry.