Weren't both of Moses parents Levites?
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So, come buy "without money" is now come with your tithe (of money) to Melchizedek?This is what Im trying to understand.
Arphaxad honestly, God loves a cheerful giver no ones disputing that fact. But (from what I can tell) your relating the tithe (to be given every three years as prescribed in the levital priesthood in regards to food produce) in money. Jesus (himself) points out the tithe (regarding the same) given of the pharisees tithe (in mint, cummin etc) was the acceptable tithe in accordance with those things. Where is the tithe of that mentioned regarding money?
When showing Jesus money He did not say give unto God what is Gods but unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.
No one is (at all) saying dont give squat (money) to anyone (specially the poor) by way of it. I think your misunderstanding just because these things are being pointed out here. Can you show to the contrary here?
On an aside note did you guys also notice that Sodom did not want the spoils but the people?:o
I'm still looking into these things myself.
Peace
Fireinfolding
I love you.
Yepperz. Ezekiel 37 also shows something similar. Fascinating chapter!!!
All believers considered by God as ONE? ) I often enjoy your posts and I trully will always see you as a sister in Christ
Your underlined emphisis in Heb 8:4, Matt 8:4 Heb7:4
appear to form a case, that gifts to the priesthood was food and not money.
Tithing is taught in Deut 26. But the facts are, times have changed.
Mostly all occupations reap money as our harvest. God required the fistfruits of whatever you sew and reap.
The facts from the scriptures from Abraham on down, God promised the people a land flowing with milk and honey. So Israel has always been farmers and sheherds, livestock, capenters , simple and necessary occupations avoiding worldly lust that would defile themselves. They all came out of slavery in Egypt in persuit of a good land to settle into farming and livestock. Their livelihood was based on trading with their neighbors.
Today rather than fruits, vegetables, or grain stored in church granaries we have refrigerators, cars, planes money is our firstfruits. We can easily buy bread milk, ice cream or whatever is needed.
We have evovled so why should do you think that tithe should be only grain or food today?
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Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
This text is teaching that word of God is free and it satisfies
Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for [that which is] not bread? and your labour for [that which] satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye [that which is] good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
This text saying that, what we buy other than food will never satisfy our desires, So listen carefully and your inner man will be filled
Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, [even] the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him [for] a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation [that] thou knowest not, and nations [that] knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Does not relate to tithing food and not money that's why that text dont fit in the study of the tithe.
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Tithing is not a command to christians, but text does say it is recieved. We need to make God's word true.
Those who claim that it's a Levitical principle is half right. But dont ignor the other half.
By Reading from Heb 6-10th chapter you can learn that Christ mediates for us in the heavenlies and our great High Priest.
Christ's only offering for our sin happened before He became High Priest.
Hbr 10:12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 5 teaches us that when his He presented Himself to God as perfectly sinless
Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hbr 5:10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Blessings
CRIB
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Hey Cribby
Im not sure what you are pointing out in the above, can ya run that bad boy at me again bro
I'm dense Crib, but its near 3 am so I will be lol
Maybe I'll wake up in the morn and give this a reread again, till tommorrow bro
Peace
Fireinfolding
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I have the feeling you may be right.Hello LittleLambofJesus
Wow! I just noticed, Melchizedek brought out bread and wine. Sounds VERY much like the last supper about 2000 years later.
Genesis 14:18 And Malkiy-Tsedeq king of Shalem hath brought out bread and wine, and he [is] priest of 'El 'elyown
Priest of Jerusalem? Yes, I think so:
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Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Psalm 122:I-9 was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
3 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together: (Compact together?
4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD.
5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.
(underlines, bolding and parentheses are my own).
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Somehow I get the strong feeling that "Jerusalem" is not just an Earthly city.
Peace,
"Arphy"
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I have the feeling you may be right.
Did you or anyone else notice that there are 2 different greek words used for Jerusalem in the NT?
You can use this lexicon and key in the strong's # to see where they are used:
http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html
Matthew 5:35 nor by the land, because it is His footstool, nor byJerusalem/ierosoluma <2414>, because it is a city of the great king,
Matthew 23:37 `Jerusalem/ierousalhm <2419>, Jerusalem/ierousalhm <2419>, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
Hierousalem/Jerusalem (Strong's 2419) occurs 83 times in 80 verses:
ierousalhm <2419>,
Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Jesus departed from the Temple/ierou <2411>, and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple,
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedek, king of Salem/salhm <4532>, priest of God Most High, who did meet Abraham turning back from the smiting of the kings, and did bless him,
The first greek word in this "jerusalem" means priest-hood while the other comes from the Hebrew word for "peace"
Great post!!!!!
Gen 4:3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Some truths we can pull out of these text are.....
Cain brought some of the fruits of his labor unto the Lord as an offering. He did not give the firstfruits of his crops.
Abel brought the firstfruits of his labor and he SACRIFICED time and effort to chose the fat of his flock for His God.
God knew what that Cain did not take time to give his firstfruits nor the fat thereof.
God accepted Abels offering seeing the cheerful giver, honor and respect towards His Godliness.
Cain became jealous and felt rejected.
God ask Cain, "why are you upset?" "would not I have accepted your gifts if you made a great effort at it?"...,"because you did not give your best effort to your God, sin was creeping up in you." "Do you think that your God should accept anything you want to bring to His table?"
What should we learn from Moses account of Cain and Abel..........Offer unto our God the firstfruits and the fat thereof....God does not command it, but faith gives it cheerfully, willingly and sacrificially.
Hbr 11:4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
(False teachings fail to understand this text. It teaches that, when you have given an offering, that is when you have given a sacrifice to God. so they teach about a God with sacrificial commandments from the beginning.)
This text teaches that, Abel's faith in his God caused him to offer up a more excellent gift than Cain. And even though he died, his example is still teaching people about faithfulness to God.
CRIB
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/
I do love Hebrews 12.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
[Young LT] Hebrew 12:20 for they were not bearing that which is commanded, `And if a beast may touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or with an arrow shot through,' 21 and, (so terrible was the sight,) Moses said, `I am fearful exceedingly, and trembling.' 22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers, 23 to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel! 25 See, may ye not refuse him who is speaking, for if those did not escape who refused him who upon earth was divinely speaking--much less we who do turn away from him who [speaketh] from heaven, 26 whose voice the Land shook then, and now hath he promised, saying, `Yet once--I shake not only the Land, but also the Heaven;' 27 and this--`Yet once' --doth make evident the removal of the things shaken, as of things having been made, that the things not shaken may remain; 28 wherefore, a kingdom that cannot be shaken receiving, may we have grace, through which we may serve God well-pleasingly, with reverence and religious fear; 29 for also our God [is] a consuming fire.
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/priest/RP24.htm
One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION, that is, it is about the way Jesus Christ, and thus, His body, the Royal Priesthood, is related to a strange man named Melchizedek. And the connection between Jesus Christ and Melchizedek is worth exploring. Let's take a look at the Melchizedek Connection.
My spirit agrees with most of this commentary about Melchisedec...thank you.
Preston Eby is not too well received by much of "churchianity" it seems.
Gen 4:3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Some truths we can pull out of these text are.....
Cain brought some of the fruits of his labor unto the Lord as an offering. He did not give the firstfruits of his crops.
Abel brought the firstfruits of his labor and he SACRIFICED time and effort to chose the fat of his flock for His God.
God knew what that Cain did not take time to give his firstfruits nor the fat thereof.
God accepted Abels offering seeing the cheerful giver, honor and respect towards His Godliness.
Cain became jealous and felt rejected.
God ask Cain, "why are you upset?" "would not I have accepted your gifts if you made a great effort at it?"...,"because you did not give your best effort to your God, sin was creeping up in you." "Do you think that your God should accept anything you want to bring to His table?"
What should we learn from Moses account of Cain and Abel..........Offer unto our God the firstfruits and the fat thereof....God does not command it, but faith gives it cheerfully, willingly and sacrificially.
Hbr 11:4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
(False teachings fail to understand this text. It teaches that, when you have given an offering, that is when you have given a sacrifice to God. so they teach about a God with sacrificial commandments from the beginning.)
This text teaches that, Abel's faith in his God caused him to offer up a more excellent gift than Cain. And even though he died, his example is still teaching people about faithfulness to God.
CRIB
). I do see righteous Abel as a similitude which speaks to Christ and those who follow Him. Given God testifies of his gifts being more excellent (the more ~excellent way~ is love). Given without faith its impossible to please God, I see him as a type whose faith worked by love.
Hi. I like Preston Eby as do many Christians but I also research those that do commentaries.Originally Posted by Cribstyl
Yikes...... Issue #1. Some people teach that Cain and Abel knew by given commandments, to render blood sacrifice to God and Cain gave the wrong sacrifice.I agree, Im not sure how you might mean everything (or what others teach for that matter
Greater love has no man than this...to lay down his life for his freinds. Just as Abel was a keeper of sheep and the good Shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. You can see a sacrificing of Himself for us.
To Cain, if you do well will you not be accepted? Whats to do well but to love one another?
I see this whole picture pointing to Christ, even in Paul you can see a picture of Abel in an offering up of the Gentiles (who were his work and labour of love).
Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Notice Cain "being a tiller" has its roots in the Levitical (that which was first) and made nothing perfect anyone notice that?
Peace
Fireinfolding
