A new CF, an old vision

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jul 7, 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangelica

Christian's by nature are not meant to win in a free for all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by meant4worship

Yes, actually we are... it just doesn't always look or feel comfortable to us during the battle.

Challenging and profound response, meant4worship!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangelica

Are you insane? Inviting war? No, it don't work that way.

Didn't Jesus Himself "invite war" with the religious leaders of his day every time he sat down at the dinner table with sinners?

I have no desire to debate you...we are supposed to be on the same side. I also have no desire to be personally attacked or asked if I am insane by someone who is my sister in Christ. I can tolerate it from someone who does not know better.

No, Jesus stayed away from conflict except when it confrounted Him, He never invited antagonists to His cause to be a party to Him. Sinners, yes, anti God, no.

kiwimac · Jul 7, 2007

abigale said:
Isn't that called compromise?

Nope.

Next Question.

Zecryphon · Jul 7, 2007

sparklecat said:
What do you think we have that we might give up? What would we have to lose to help you feel better about matters?

"What do you think we have that we might give up? What would we have to lose to help you feel better about matters?"

You're missing the point of my post. My point is not what Christians should have to give up, my point was that "compromise" is the wrong word to use to describe what is going on here. My question now is, what's left to lose? The Nicene Creed is out. Proper identification of Christians is out. Denominational sections are out. Long time mods are out. Since we're gettin' rid of everything as it is, why don't we just toss the kitchen sink and call it a day?

draper · Jul 7, 2007

EmperorConstantine said:
I'm not sure if it has happened on CF, but it did happen on the forum I was on before CF.

So then I trust you weren't citing it in reference to an argument inre: the rule changes at CF?

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jul 7, 2007

kiwimac said:
Nope.

Next Question.

Actually it is compromise, just like an inverted V it gets further and further from God.

kiwimac · Jul 7, 2007

EmperorConstantine said:
That is what I'm thinking.

Just like the Reformation and the Enlightenment. Both are so-called "goods" but are really "bads".

Both the Reformation and the Enlightenment were God at work in the World.

E.C. · Jul 7, 2007

Zecryphon said:
"What do you think we have that we might give up? What would we have to lose to help you feel better about matters?"

You're missing the point of my post. My point is not what Christians should have to give up, my point was that "compromise" is the wrong word to use to describe what is going on here. My question now is, what's left to lose? The Nicene Creed is out. Proper identification of Christians is out. Denominational sections are out. Long time mods are out. Since we're gettin' rid of everything as it is, why don't we just toss the kitchen sink and call it a day?

Don't forget the baby with the bathwater.

GraceInHim · Jul 7, 2007

karen freeinchristman said:
How sad, the ugliness that has come out in this thread between supposed 'brothers and sisters'.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us, sinners.

Hunterkirk · Jul 7, 2007

Zecryphon said:
"What do you think we have that we might give up? What would we have to lose to help you feel better about matters?"

You're missing the point of my post. My point is not what Christians should have to give up, my point was that "compromise" is the wrong word to use to describe what is going on here. My question now is, what's left to lose? The Nicene Creed is out. Proper identification of Christians is out. Denominational sections are out. Long time mods are out. Since we're gettin' rid of everything as it is, why don't we just toss the kitchen sink and call it a day?

Well said

thiefinthenight · Jul 7, 2007

Evangelica said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangelica
Christian's by nature are not meant to win in a free for all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by meant4worship
Yes, actually we are... it just doesn't always look or feel comfortable to us during the battle.

Challenging and profound response, meant4worship!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangelica
Are you insane? Inviting war? No, it don't work that way.

Didn't Jesus Himself "invite war" with the religious leaders of his day every time he sat down at the dinner table with sinners?

I have no desire to debate you...we are supposed to be on the same side. I also have no desire to be personally attacked or asked if I am insane by someone who is my sister in Christ. I can tolerate it from someone who does not know better.

No, Jesus stayed away from conflict except when it confrounted Him, He never invited antagonists to His cause to be a party to Him. Sinners, yes, anti God, no.

He invited me when I was Anti-God!!! Persecuted His people!!!
Hated Him...denied Him...

:bow:

Thank You Jesus for loving me enough to draw near to me when I was running from You

Worthy are You my King!!!!!!!

Criada · Jul 7, 2007

This is very sad.

Erwin is doing what he believes God has led him to do.
And none of these changes have even happened yet.
But already people arguing and hurting one another...

Give it a chance, folks!
Perhaps some of you are right - but we don't know what God will do here.

I am beginning to wonder whether I want to stay...

Whereas, a couple of hours ago when I readthe OP I was excited about the possibilities :sigh:

E.C. · Jul 7, 2007

draper said:
So then I trust you weren't citing it in reference to an argument inre: the rule changes at CF?

eh?

kiwimac said:
Both the Reformation and the Enlightenment were God at work in the World.

Both lead to Atheism, Secularism and extreme division, hate and rudeness. Not to forget selfishness. Collapse of morality and ethics also come to mind.

Room4all · Jul 7, 2007

Erwin-

Thank you. I cant tell you how much I missed CF. To come back and find this is wonderful. Truly this create a community in which all christians can be united.

kiwimac · Jul 7, 2007

EmperorConstantine said:
What were you taught when (trying to phrase this correctly) you became a Christian? You were taught what Christ had done. And if from a liturgical Church background, you were taught the faith of your fathers and forefathers.

All that is being traded. Dumped out would be more accurate. The precious Eucharist is being thrown on the ground and spat upon and no one cares.

No it is not friend.

This is a forum, there is no eucharist to throw out or spit upon. Perhaps you might like to try and calm down a little?

ravenscape · Jul 7, 2007

May our heads be cooler and our hearts calmer tomorrow. This thread is heavy weather.

sparklecat · Jul 7, 2007

Zecryphon said:
You're missing the point of my post. My point is not what Christians should have to give up, my point was that "compromise" is the wrong word to use to describe what is going on here. My question now is, what's left to lose? The Nicene Creed is out. Proper identification of Christians is out. Denominational sections are out. Long time mods are out. Since we're gettin' rid of everything as it is, why don't we just toss the kitchen sink and call it a day?

Well, there's always faith. Hope. Charity. All those sorts of things. Personally, I'd see them as more important on a Christian site than whether people were properly identified, labelled, seperated, and controlled.

Of course, this is assuming that such things were here in the first place. I've seen some, and hope that won't be lost.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jul 7, 2007

thiefinthenight said:
He invited me when I was Anti-God!!! Persecuted His people!!!
Hated Him...denied Him...

Thank You Jesus for loving me enough to draw near to me when I was running from You

Worthy are You my King!!!!!!!

Please tell us what were your motives in coming to a Christian site.

draper · Jul 7, 2007

EmperorConstantine said:
eh?

You weren't trying to make a point in the debate over CF by citing an incident from another message board, right?

EmperorConstantine said:
Both lead to Atheism, Secularism and extreme division, hate and rudeness. Not to forget selfishness. Collapse of morality and ethics also come to mind.

I believe it is opinions like this that are the underlying motivation behind these changes, actually.

scraparcs · Jul 7, 2007

meh said:
Which is why I'm leaving staff and putting it here, in public, for all to see so if anyone cares they don't have to go off speculating.

I don't do popularity contests of any sort. I just don't. I don't know if I'm "liked" enough to be kept around or hated enough to get the boot. That isn't the point.

I don't even like the mod of the month thing and gringe when my name goes up! Why? Because in school I was the one whose name never had a checkmark or vote beside it. Never picked for the kickball team even though I was good. I was the quiet nerd in the corner everybody loathed.

Now, why is this something I just can't handle? Because eventually there will be a vote for mods and someone who is really lovely, who does a lot behind the scenes for people, who is smart and funny and compassionate and would be a great mod won't have a checkmark next to their name or get a vote because they are quiet, or because they aren't in the right clique or something. And it will hurt.

Sorry. I just can't do it.

I'll still be around playing my little verse games and stuff and of course keeping my dollie well dressed, but that is why I'll be leaving staff. And thinking about the person on the ballot who might get hurt, I'm equally reminded it's high time to apologize to any member or fellow staff whom I have hurt with deeds or words. I apologize.

I wish CF the best and hope it goes great.

But heck, I voted meh on the first ballot.

kiwimac · Jul 7, 2007

EmperorConstantine said:
Think of what has come since the Reformation: Atheism.

Not to mention lots and lots of division.

Please, show me where I said I hated Protestants because I did not.

There have ALWAYS been atheists. The Reformation had nothing to do with atheism and is not responsible for it.

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