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Which "True Orthodox" say this? If the OCA is involved in ecumenism, then they are heretics, because ecumenism is the mother of all heresies.

I've heard that the OCA have some serious problems. I was told that they don't even fast! Women there don't cover their heads as far as I know. A friend of mine told me that her god-daughter was going to an OCA church and she told the priest that she wanted to cover her head all the time. The priest replied with something about it being an outdated custom and thought that she shouldn't do it. This priest is teaching against Scripture and Holy Tradition.

You were told wrong. Our parish, indeed the whole diocese is taught to fast strictly, as much as we are able. About 80% of the women at my parish cover their heads. But it is strictly a personal decision - no one would ever, ever, tell another woman she should cover!

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I do cover my hair ... and it serves a good purpose.

We have people who love to talk during the Divine Liturgy especially in the choir loft. And if I happen to look at them instead of the choir director, then I can miss a beat or a precise instruction. So, I have found that if I drape the veil so that it falls slightly over my face, that it acts like blinders so that I can truly focus my attention on the choir director and the altar. Today, with the air condition going, the light veil also kept me from freezing, so it was a win-win situation.
 
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I made my veil.

The fabric store had some inexpensive lace, so and I purchased several colors, then cut a square piece and then cut it diagonally, so that I had two pieces. Then I got some matching ribbon or lace (made several using different colors). For the part that goes around the face, I folded the lace back on itself about three inches and then put some Russian FolkDress Ribbon to hold it down. It stays in place better and looks very nice. I get a lot of compliments although that was not my intent. Because it is thicker, it acts like a better blinder. And it stays on my hair, so it is less distracting. :)

Some people get sheer cotton and then use the cotton as a lining for the lace as some monasteries do not usually like the flimsy lace mantillas.
 
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A couple of things:

About the communion of Copts (I didn't say communion with Copts, because I think it only goes one way in America) thing, my priest explained it in a way that hasn't been brought up here. I should qualify by saying that around here it seems to be more of Greek churches communing Ethiopians than Antiochians communing Copts, but it's the same situation, I think. Anyway, there are different levels of distance from the Orthodox Church, as can be seen in the different reception of converts. Like, former Jews are baptized, former Protestants are usually chrismated, and in certain circumstances, I'm thinking St. Alexis, and I think it used to be for former ROCOR, and I'm sure in other situations I'm not familiar with, people can be received by confession and communion. He said the Greek priests he knows who are communing Ethiopians are doing so after confession, and likens it to the latter situation. So, believe it or don't believe it, but that's my priest's take.

Regarding the OCA headcovering/fasting thing, I'm kind of bowled over by it. Not that I wasn't aware that there are bare heads and lax fasters in the OCA; I've been OCA, have been known to bare my head ;) and am not going to win any fasting awards. But I've also been the same bare-headed, dairy-slipping me in the Antiochian and Bulgarian jurisdictions in America, and don't seem to stick out there either. In fact, the OCA tends to have a reputation as being more head-covery and such than some other American jurisdictions (note the several threads that have occurred where Antiochian beards and Greek pews were derided).

But I'm mostly taken aback by the fact that anyone places so much importance on what others do or don't do to their hair that he's willing to be out of communion with the Church over it. I mean, really. It's one thing to say, "I don't like Greek food, I think I'll find another canonical Orthodox parish in my city." I will readily admit to being almost as shallow, since I stated just yesterday that we will likely go to the ROCOR church in our new city solely because I hate the Antiochian music. But I would never, ever go to a schismatic church because I preferred the music, or the food, or the hats (see how silly that last one sounded?). I don't like the music at my current (Antiochian) parish. And I can take headcoverings or leave them, although I would prefer if some of our teenagers dressed a little less like they just came in from a night of clubbing. But these are not things to break communion with the Orthodox Church over, and that is what you're talking about doing.
 
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A couple of things:

About the communion of Copts (I didn't say communion with Copts, because I think it only goes one way in America) thing, my priest explained it in a way that hasn't been brought up here. I should qualify by saying that around here it seems to be more of Greek churches communing Ethiopians than Antiochians communing Copts, but it's the same situation, I think. Anyway, there are different levels of distance from the Orthodox Church, as can be seen in the different reception of converts. Like, former Jews are baptized, former Protestants are usually chrismated, and in certain circumstances, I'm thinking St. Alexis, and I think it used to be for former ROCOR, and I'm sure in other situations I'm not familiar with, people can be received by confession and communion. He said the Greek priests he knows who are communing Ethiopians are doing so after confession, and likens it to the latter situation. So, believe it or don't believe it, but that's my priest's take.

Regarding the OCA headcovering/fasting thing, I'm kind of bowled over by it. Not that I wasn't aware that there are bare heads and lax fasters in the OCA; I've been OCA, have been known to bare my head ;) and am not going to win any fasting awards. But I've also been the same bare-headed, dairy-slipping me in the Antiochian and Bulgarian jurisdictions in America, and don't seem to stick out there either. In fact, the OCA tends to have a reputation as being more head-covery and such than some other American jurisdictions (note the several threads that have occurred where Antiochian beards and Greek pews were derided).

But I'm mostly taken aback by the fact that anyone places so much importance on what others do or don't do to their hair that he's willing to be out of communion with the Church over it. I mean, really. It's one thing to say, "I don't like Greek food, I think I'll find another canonical Orthodox parish in my city." I will readily admit to being almost as shallow, since I stated just yesterday that we will likely go to the ROCOR church in our new city solely because I hate the Antiochian music. But I would never, ever go to a schismatic church because I preferred the music, or the food, or the hats (see how silly that last one sounded?). I don't like the music at my current (Antiochian) parish. And I can take headcoverings or leave them, although I would prefer if some of our teenagers dressed a little less like they just came in from a night of clubbing. But these are not things to break communion with the Orthodox Church over, and that is what you're talking about doing.
On communion of the monophysites: that's what I've heard, and that is the practice of the OCA as well. The confession is a unique one, though (for the first one) as it requires one to renounce monophysitism and accept the 7 ecumenical councils (since not accepting those would be a sin that keeps one from communion) - so by the end of the confession the communicant is actually an official member of the Orthodox Church and therefore communing them is not at all problematic.

One could quibble over whether that's an appropriate way to recieve someone into the communion (as opposed to by chrismation or baptism) - but that's a different debate.
 
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I made my veil.

The fabric store had some inexpensive lace, so and I purchased several colors, then cut a square piece and then cut it diagonally, so that I had two pieces. Then I got some matching ribbon or lace (made several using different colors). For the part that goes around the face, I folded the lace back on itself about three inches and then put some Russian FolkDress Ribbon to hold it down. It stays in place better and looks very nice. I get a lot of compliments although that was not my intent. Because it is thicker, it acts like a better blinder. And it stays on my hair, so it is less distracting. :)

Some people get sheer cotton and then use the cotton as a lining for the lace as some monasteries do not usually like the flimsy lace mantillas.
That sounds like a good idea. I have some lace on hand, but it may be too thick and heavy. It's more for window covering or table cloth, something like that. I'll have to go searching at the store of something that would be more appropriate. :)
 
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