Can a person who has been Born Again, as required by Jesus, believe in Reincarnation?
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At the last trump, we who are dead in Christ rise physically from our graves to be united with our spirits arriving with Jesus...perfect!
We who are alive at the coming of Christ will rise physically transform into glorified bodies.
Have you not read the Word regarding this?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died so you will not grieve like people who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him the believers who have died.
We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. So encourage each other with these words.
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yes, but there seem to be a variety of opinions among professed Christians on this matter ... so I was interested to hear your interpretation (and IaR) on this. Thanks !
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I think we are starting to go off topic here, unless you can clarify what your specific question is and the connection you are trying to make to the topic at hand?
Based on what I think you might be asking, in a nutshell, I can tell you that those who are not saved, will not experience the second death until the Great White Throne Judgment, but the Bible shows us that their spirits upon death of their bodies immediately enter a place of torment and they are fully aware of it.
Luke 16:19-26
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Based on what I think you might be asking, in a nutshell, I can tell you that those who are not saved, will not experience the second death until the Great White Throne Judgment, but the Bible shows us that their spirits upon death of their bodies immediately enter a place of torment and they are fully aware of it.
Luke 16:19-26
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
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because if those who are saved are re-united with their (new/glorified) bodies, then the term reincarnation (which means re-en-fleshment) could be construed to refer to this event. Hence my concern that the term be properly understood. I prefer the Biblical terminology, though 
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Contradicted, of course, by the story of Saul and the witch of Endor. And the cult (used in the proper sense of the word) of saints.
Just sayin'.
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You are not only ignorant of my views, but make assumptions about them to a surprising extent. No one taught me this doctrine of reincarnation. I don't know of any theologian who holds to my particular view. My doctrine originated in my observation that the Protestant doctrine of federalism is hopelessly self-contradictory because the Protestant view of Adam renders God unjust, and it cannot explain original sin as I argued earlier. I then found out that many noteworthy Protestant theologians ADMIT as much and admit they can find no solution to the problem. I was left with a choice - either propound a theology that is blatantly self-contradictory or look for a new understanding of Adam. The problem with most Christian thinkers is that they don't prioritize the law of non-contradiction. They would prefer to remain content with a set of traditional assumptions because they "seem appropriate" (even when those assumptions are logically incompatible with each other and with Scripture) rather than accept a solution which is less palatable ("seems less appropriate and less traditional") but logically consistent. As a result much of mainstream theology is nonsense, for example Sola Scriptura, the Primacy of Tradition, the hypostatic union, etc.
No, I didn't learn my view from someone else. I am the ONLY one, to my knowlege, that has found solutions to the problem of Adam, the problem of the Incarnation, the problem of epistemology, the problem of ontology (viz. the classic mind-body problem), and several other theological problems previously unsolved. Did I find solutions because I am smarter than everyone else? Nope. I am a lot dumber than most. The difference between me and them is that I am willing to part with any traditional assumptions except those that seem demanded by Scripture, common sense, and the law of non-contradiction.
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No, it isn't contradicted. No one went to hell in that story you are bringing up. The Rich man and Lazarus in Luke, to which you say is contradicted by this story in your post, was a story about one who went to Abraham's bosom and the other went to hell.
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We could "construe" whatever we want to, but the redemption plan of God, will never align with the reincarnation belief of Eastern Mysticism.
Which is the question the OP asks.
I also prefer the Biblical terminology as there is no mistake nor confusion, and no having to play with the definition, that we are and will always be us and not somebody or someTHING (other animal/insect etc.) else.
Which is the question the OP asks.
I also prefer the Biblical terminology as there is no mistake nor confusion, and no having to play with the definition, that we are and will always be us and not somebody or someTHING (other animal/insect etc.) else.
because if those who are saved are re-united with their (new/glorified) bodies, then the term reincarnation (which means re-en-fleshment) could be construed to refer to this event. Hence my concern that the term be properly understood. I prefer the Biblical terminology, though
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This is an actual admission to making it all up!
There are NO problems that the Word of God does not settle. As the Spirit of God gave Daniel great abilities to solve coplex problems, He does the same with anyone who earnestly seeks.
1 Thessalonians 3:10
Night and day we pray earnestly for you, asking God to let us see you again to fill the gaps in your faith.
Got gaps in your faith? Earnestly seek God and His answers--not your own. Our minds are incredibly prone to wander.
Job 12:24
He strips kings of understanding and leaves them wandering in a pathless wasteland.
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Yeah, that's right, I sat down one day and I made up the idea that about 6000 years ago there was this guy called Adam, and I decided that he was probably the first guy created, and there was this snake...
Yep. I made the whole thing up. All of my doctrines originated in my own head.
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The whole idea of Christians accepting any doctrine of reincarnation is a mockery...least of all devising it oneself and trying to peddle it here.
1 Timothy 6:3-10
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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