Do you think any one denomination is right?

Pastor N.B. · Sep 20, 2002

Originally posted by layne
<DIV>I want to start going to attending  church... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is there any scriptural advice on which church to join? Do you think God will send a sure fire sign if I pray?   </DIV>

(Zapped for question & with emphasised response)

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Pastor N.B. here:
Perhaps the question is not about the GodHead. So I will try to keep with your thread! (I see that if one has a different view of the GodHead & come out of the closet so to speak, they are past tense here?)

And the [ONLY] sign that you need is the Word's that He has given us!

Denomination in the Word of God is described only, as the "Fold". The "True Virgin Fold" as in Matt. 25 or Amos 5:2. (a pure woman in doctrine only! see 2 Tim. 3:16) In the time of Christ, He sent His disciples to "the [lost sheep] of the house of Israel". (see Matt. 10:5-6 for this first commandment) This was Christ's own! This was the TRUE FOLD as He told [us] ... "ALL therefore whatsoever they bid you do observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for [they say, and do not]." (see Matt. 23:3)

In Eph. 4:5 we see that there is [one Faith]. (Fold)
The Master taught in John 10:16 a very special Truth that seems has gone the way of [Only Believe]? Here is what [He] says:
"And [OTHER SHEEP] I have, which [are not of THIS FOLD]: (good Christians, yet they are in the wrong fold) them [also MUST I BRING, AND THERE SHALL BE *ONE FOLD, AND *ONE SHEPARD]".

So the question is counter productive! If Christ is the one True Shepard & His sheep are in [other folds], who is their shepard? And WHY MUST DOES HE SAY.. "I MUST BRING"? (try Rev. 3:9)

OK: This is your question, right? So yes, it does take a serious decision to join any 'Fold'. Try Matt. 28:20 for starters in the King James!
Another thought might be? If I were a converted Christian in the wrong Fold, why leave? Heb. 6:1-6 & only the positives? Am I not saved? So to understand this thought, lets go to the Word's of Christ's *closing book,

"And I heard another voice [from heaven], saying, [COME OUT OF HER (fold) MY PEOPLE], that ye be not [*PARTAKERS OF HER SINS], and that [YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES]." Rev. 18:4. Sure sounds like a 'eternal life or an eternal death decision, does it not? And even more 'inlightening' is the verse of Rev. 17:5.. "The [Mother of Harlots and Abomination of the earth]."

It sure says for me at least, that I MUST BE SURE THAT MY DOCTRINES ARE OF THE RIGHT VIRGIN FOLD, *and* that I am using the Everlasting Gospel Provisions of the Master in [Obedience] of them! (try Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 & Acts 5:32)

Hope that this helps! Remember the Master's Words of Matt. 4:4! P/N/B/

layne · Sep 20, 2002

I really don't understand the KJV very well. What you are trying to say is that the only folds are those who follow God and those who don't? Or that there is one true christian fold, and the rest are good christians, but of the wrong fold?

Caedmon · Sep 20, 2002

The Mormon church teaches that all good male Mormons will eventually become gods, marry multiple goddess wives, and have spiritual children, which they will be allowed to place on their own private planet. Now if that doesn't give you a reason to beware Mormonism, then I don't know what will.

Caedmon · Sep 20, 2002

The first chapter of John gives a wonderful illustration of the Holy Trinity.

eldermike · Sep 20, 2002

Pastor NB,

I am confused by your post, it might be just me.
Is Jesus God?

Pastor N.B. · Sep 20, 2002

Originally posted by layne
I really don't understand the KJV very well. What you are trying to say is that the only folds are those who follow God and those who don't? Or that there is one true christian fold, and the rest are good christians, but of the wrong fold?

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Hi, what anyone says, matters little. It is what the Word of Christ says that matters. The verses that were given states that there is only one true [FOLD].

The Word always talks of the true FOLD as VIRGINS. (meaning pure doctrines) There are 'other' FOLDS denominations. They have some GOOD SINCERE CHRISTIANS [INSIDE OF THEM] in [YOKED MEMBERSHIP], but the Master does not recognize the [denomination-FOLD] as having truth. Yet these (us, you and me) are accountable to learn Truth! (try Hosea 4:6)

Once again: We need to be [certain] that we are following Christ! That is what He askes of us. When we KNOW what to do, and then do not do it, to [US] it is sin. And in time, after quenching & grieving the Spirits leading,
He will leave us to our own self-rightousness! (see Rev. 3:16-17)

Do you want some verses? Try Isa. 59:1-2. John 9:31. Notice Psalms 66:18 & another condition? Try 1 John 3:21-22.-----P/N/B/

eldermike · Sep 20, 2002

Mod Hat on:

Pastor NB,

Please respond to my question.

eldermike · Sep 20, 2002

Pastor NB,

I just sent you a PM. Please read it.

Thank you

Pastor N.B. · Sep 20, 2002

Originally posted by eldermike
Pastor NB,

I am confused by your post, it might be just me.
Is Jesus God?

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Hi Elder Mike:
It seem that for some reason I am not getting the replys sent to my in/box for notification from Christian forums that I had been getting? (for your & others reply) It is a wonder that I read this one perhaps?

But for your question? The Word (Christ) is eternal! (Everlasting Gospel)
If there is an ETERNAL GOSPEL, THEN CHRIST AS GOD HAS IMMORTALITY as well as God the Father, (as we know Him) and God the Holy Spirit!
And in the beginning of man, we are told.. "Let us make man in [our image]"
Our Image as in the plural! Christ was not GOD/MAN yet. (only in the PLAN of SALVATIONS FURTURE) Check Rom. 4:17's last part of verse.

OK: The WORD TEACHES TWO AS GOD SO FAR. Both of these have an image as man was patterned after. (even down to being a pro/creator! bear children) And we also recall the tower of Babel? Where God & God made the statement, .. "Let [US] go down and confound their language".

Now, we come to another PERSONAL GOD. The Word says,.. that "GOD IS A SPIRIT". Also note the Words Word of [HOLY SPIRIT and HOLY GHOST]. (no image here suggested)
Christ says that [HE] will testify of Me and not of [Himself].
Surely we know of John 3:5-8 & 2 Cor. 3:3 recreated requirement?

Yet, it is not just a New Testament Holy Spirit working God! Notice in Gen. 1 last part, .. "And the SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATERS". (in creation)

Did you catch that? How about this one, ... "And the Spirit of God [came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly." 1 Sam. 11:6 Notice chapter 10:9, ... "And it [was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samual, GOD GAVE HIM ANOTHER HEART."
:clap:

I know that we are crossing threads perhaps? But let see 1 Sam. 16:14's
rejection of the ex/converted saint?
Notice: That this is God the Holy Spirit that is seen to be Grieved & Quenched away.
"But the Spirit of the Lord [departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him." This can best be understood in Gen. 4:7, of what takes place when one makes an MATURE decision of rejection of the Holy Ghost

. (also try Matt. 12:31-32)

I hope that this helps? P/N/B/

eldermike · Sep 20, 2002

Pastor NB,

Thanks for responding. I see 3 Gods in your post, not 3 persons of one God.
Am I reading you wrong?
Is that 3 Gods or One God, in three persons (The trinity)

The Squalid Wanderer · Sep 20, 2002

Dear Eldermike,

I am confused by what you meant by we are not commanded to attend church.

How do you then understand the words in Hebrews 10

And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

His Little Servant · Sep 20, 2002

I don't think God intended for everyone to break up into denominations on Earth when he created us. In Heaven, I don't believe that they're are denominations, and I don't think God will judge you based on what church you attended. The only thing you need to worry about is worshipping Him with all of your heart. If you can solemly swear that you believe that Jesus died for you and for your sins, so that you could go to heaven and if you truely believe that Jesus is God, and if you redeem yourself of all you sins and lay them upon God, than I believe that'd enough to give you eternal life. The church thing, is important, but it is just for fellowship and support.

eldermike · Sep 21, 2002

The Squalid Wanderer,

Hebrews 10 should be read from it's very first verse to get the context (as it ture for all of scripture). We are not to gather together because of sin but to help each other in our work for Christ. That is what I meant. Read all of Hebrews 10.

Read the first few verses of Heb. carefully.

Blessings

Pastor N.B. · Sep 21, 2002

Originally posted by eldermike
Pastor NB,

Thanks for responding. I see 3 Gods in your post, not 3 persons of one God.
Am I reading you wrong?
Is that 3 Gods or One God, in three persons (The trinity)

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Hi,

Yes 'Seperate' except in perfect 'unity'! "Let [us] go down and.." "become as [one] of [us]" Does this do the trick? The word trinity is a problem word for some perhaps

?

If you are stating your words with "I see three Gods in your post, not three persons of one God." That sounds right. But lets add instead of one God, the word GodHead? Now you would be asking... "I see 3 Gods in your post, not three persons of one GodHead"??

Thanks for your responce! By the way, I posted this first responce before you asked me not to. ---P/N/B/

PS: My earlier remark was made because it sounded like censor was threatened. (to another person) And the doctrine of the GodHead is fairly hard for one to explain, look at us?

And I am convinced that there are many Christians who are Christians, that just need to understand this Truth. (maybe me, huh?) Or, what are we to do with the ones of Rom. 2:14-15 who have never even heard of the Master, as we know Him?? yet they still are they.. "Which [show] the work of the law WRITTEN IN THEIR HEARTS."? (Converted as of John 3:5-8 or 2 Cor. 3:3 & do not even know it! :clap:

)

Phoebe · Sep 22, 2002

No. I don't think any one denomination has a corner on salvation.

Pastor N.B. · Sep 22, 2002

Originally posted by Phoebe
No. I don't think any one denomination has a corner on salvation.

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Hi, Pastor N.B. here:
Let me ask it this way, do you think that anyone can be saved by staying in membership (unequally yoked) with [any] or all denominations, that [WE] are convinced of, that have any known error in the doctrinal teachings? If this is what you are saying, what do we do with Rev. 18:4 & Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse? Sounds like that being a [known] partaker of open sin, means exactly that huh,? Lost!

And yes, we can agree to dis/agree! :clap:

---P/N/B/

The Squalid Wanderer · Sep 23, 2002

Dear ElderMike,

I'm not sure I understand you, but even if it is not a sin, does that mean that it is not commanded. The passage seems very explicit, and I have read it within it's context. I understand that the passage is for the encouragement and building up of the Church, but it is commanded of us as well. I do not see how these two are contradictory

Pastor N.B. · Sep 24, 2002

Originally posted by eldermike
The Squalid Wanderer,

Hebrews 10 should be read from it's very first verse to get the context (as it ture for all of scripture). We are not to gather together because of sin but to help each other in our work for Christ. That is what I meant. Read all of Hebrews 10.

Read the first few verses of Heb. carefully.

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Here are another few verses to read slowly from Jeremiah! They are full of this Truth of "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together...". Start with Jeremiah 15:15-20. "'And [if] thou take forth the precious [from the vile] thou [shalt be as my mouth]". The question is, which group does God want us in??? Sounds like a work of 'seperating' or 'shaking' here, huh? try 2 Thess. 2:1-3 [BEFORE THE LORD COMES].

And remember that this is once again His own people here considered! see verses 5-7. So the question arises, what does one do with Heb. 10:25 now? Or are the churches better than His True Virgin Fold was back in this passage? see Rev. 3:16-17----P/N/B/

PS: To say yes, they are better, finds one inside of OPEN filth in the membership of many denominations. To say no, finds one in the class of Christ & being accused of flaming.
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Blessings

Caedmon · Sep 24, 2002

Pastor N.B., which is the right church, and what do they believe?

Pastor N.B. · Sep 24, 2002

Originally posted by humblejoe
Pastor N.B., which is the right church, and what do they believe?

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There is only one true Virgin denomination. (FOLD) OK? Now, there are many false folds that have saved present tense Christiand in them. Christ's Word tells us that when we know this Truth & are CONVINCED of it, then we are accountable for it! OK? Read Rev. 18:4.

Now, having said that, we find exact history being repeated as we ARE TOLD in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15. Israel of old & Virgin Israel of today have had their denomination [made desolate] because of OPEN UNREPENTED SIN.
See Matt. 23:38 for Christ departure! [Who took over? try Rev. 3:9.]

Now pay apt attention: Christ SAYS: ["ALL THEREFOR WHATSOVER THEY BID YOU OBSERVE, THAT OBSERVE AND DO]; (doctrinwise only) But [DO NOT AFTER THEIR WORKS, FOR THEY SAY, AND DO NOT.]"

Both denominations started out right. And we can see in Josh. 7:12's last part why Christ was put out! (A EVERLASTING GOSPEL STATED TRUTH) Rom. 2 tells us who new Israel is. And Christ, when He started up the [NEW] denomination, He taught to keep all of His Fathers Commandments, They kept His Doctrines intack. See 2 Tim. 3:16
(And except for the Deut. 31 ones, that pointed to His completion of Moses handwritten law that were placed in [the side] of the Ark of the Covenant, NOT INSIDE)

OK: 1 Peter 4:17 tells us that the House of God (His Virgin denomination) is JUDGED FIRST! The other Christians denominations will be TESTED as to their true faith with the 666.

Now for your question of who it is that [WAS] (in past/tense) the true Virgin denomination? It is the Seventh-day Adventist denomination. And from it a Remnant will arive & be organized into the Philadelphian {organized} denomination. Matt. 10 is being reinacted & verse 23 will be seen before Christ comes again. Just befor ALL other 'folds' testing that follows. (that of the Mark of the Beast) Read John 10:16 & Eph. 4:5

Hope this helps. ---P/N/B/

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