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Hello all *waves*.

I am Kyrie, literally that name - my parents are a little odd :) They told me they named me for the prayer, Kyrie eleison, but I got the first word of it as a name because Kyrie-Eleison as a name was too much of a mouthful for a child. I still sign myself Kyrie-Eleison a lot though, Kyrie on its own seems a strange name to give myself.

I've had an interest in Orthodoxy for years, that has sat bubbling at the back burner of my mind while my world has been turned upside down, right side up and upside down again repeatedly. Post-Traumatic stress, panic attacks, depression, a nervous breakdown and chronic fatigue syndrome later, I've ended up craving that which has been on my mind for the past six years.

I've been lurking the forums for the past few months, and I figured I'd state that I'm an inquirer, but a very nervous one because in Australia it seems that the orthodox community is very closed and culturally segregated, and it's hard to get past that if you have none of the backgrounds that Orthodox congregations usually are made up of here! I am German, Scottish, English, Swedish and Cornish... none of it useful :)

I first discovered Orthodoxy through my school's religion class. Fairly liberal Lutheran, our year level was divided up one day and sent on excursions (field trips) to different denominations churches in the area to look and ask questions, and fill out an assignment on it. Fairly run of the mill stuff, and to a 13 year old who had just started high school it wasn't particularly interesting, I've been raised in the church but attended (even if just visiting) most denominations at one point or another. But my group got sent to the Greek Orthodox church near the school, and there was something different about that church. We walked in and the teachers had asked whether we girls needed to cover our heads or anything, and been told no it's not necessary - but as I walked in I felt compelled to regardless, and took the scarf from around my neck and covered my hair. The smile the priest gave me that day has remained in my memory forever. There was something different about this church, something holy and I wanted to reverence it.

We asked the question, and had a brief summary of Orthodox worship from the priest, and then were allowed to walk around and look at the icons - beautiful ones, painted by a Greek iconographer, on the walls and the ceiling, larger than life. The church's patron saint is St Spyridon, but they also have a wall icon of St Kyriaki, which my classmates commented on - hey Kyrie, this is your saint. We left, did the assignment and went on with our lives. But I havent been able to get that church or the saint out of my mind.

Which brings us to 2007. I'm not quite sure what sparked it all again, but I've somehow ended up reading an awful lot of information on Orthodoxy, and listening to Ancient Faith radio online after hearing someone, somewhere talk about it. A couple months later, I'm more and more interested, and wanting to join in, somehow, in what you all seem to have that I feel I'm missing. I was baptised as an older child (about ten) in a Uniting Church - a mix of Wesleyan, Methodist, Congregationalist and Presbyterian churches, which has been a good church to me - the pastors I have had have had theology that bordered more on orthodoxy than the doctrine of the main church! But the last few years I've felt that that was right, but it was only part of something that must happen. And its reading about this that I think I've found the something else.

This is the hard part. My parents will support me regardless of what I do, as will my fiance (who is starting to read everything on the early church he gets his hands on), but the congregations (is that what you call them?) anywhere near me seem to have sporadic english services, and the rest in the ethnic language. I have a very minor grasp of Greek (very very little) and none of the others... so this makes things hard. I also don't have a car, don't drive, and neither does my fiance. The church that I attended on that day with school is accessible by a bus (without being too far away) but the others are far beyond my reach, and it's hard to try to find out anything about a parish when they seem to be closed community of migrants and their children, all speaking Greek/Russian/whatever.

We did think about attending one of them a while ago, because Troy (my fiance) offered to go with me, but when we rang up to inquire we got the basic details and that the next english service wasn't for a fortnight, and the impression that they werent really interested in us. I don't know if that's a reflection on the parish as a whole, but it made me nervous to try anything else. They said that they had a Greek service that Sunday and that we could come if we wanted to, but we chickened out - it was all just too foreign for two young, protestant raised people to jump into feet-first!

So I dont know what to do. I've been a liturgy junkie for the last few years, reading varing liturgical denominations liturgy and marveling at the beauty and reverence of it, and taking part in things like the reading and prayers for candles during advent (which I loved, it brought the Christmas season back to Christ rather than the hype) but coming in as nineteen and twenty three year old kids with noone that we know attending is just scary!

So that's me. Nice to meet you all, and any advice is very very welcome!

...there's not anyone who lives in Adelaide, South Australia here is there? ;)
Jezz, as it turns out, is actually FROM Adelaide. I've PM'd him and am waiting for a reply. Hopefully he'll be able to arrange a ride for you.
 
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Hi Kyrie,
I guess I'm a little late but Welcome!! :wave:

Language can be a barrier but know that many ethnic parishes are very very friendly. I have always attend a Greek Orthodox Church that uses Greek for about 70% of the service but I hardly speak a word. Following along in the Divine Liturgy book works well for me and after a while you'll start to know what's going on :)

I would also recommend not judging a parish by the person that answers the phone, they are often volunteers and extremely busy trying to keep the church's daily needs in check, I find they are often far more brisk on the phone than in person... speaking to the priest as others have recommended is really the best advice you've gotten.

Have a nice vacation!! I look forward to seeing more of you here! :clap:
 
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...there's not anyone who lives in Adelaide, South Australia here is there? ;)
Sydney, New South Wales :wave:
I'm a Scottish, Irish, English and Swedish aussie who has found his home in the Greek Church. Mind you, living in Greece for twelve years certainly helped with learning the language :)

Welcome to TAW!

John
 
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G'day all,

I am Kyrie's fiance and she has been talking about this for a while and she is very excited. I am getting more excited as she talks about it but i must say i feel a little bit intimidated. It is probably my fault with the whole they weren't interested thing. I am really bad at ringing a place or person up for the first time and not knowing what to expect. The person i was talking to go out about two words before i blurted out my no so well rehearsed diatribe. I could've done it differently. Kyrie and I have been listening to an online radio station called ancient faith and i really like the music and the stories.

I am studying at a christian college and learning alot of wonderful things there but i feel that i need more, and from what Kyrie has been telling me, the theology our church is just now rediscovering, the orthodox never lost. That sounds very good to me, i must admit i am a little nervous with some of the customs and traditions that Kyrie has talked about but that could just be natural cynicism on my part.

If the orthodox churches are anything like you guys then it would be an honour to find out more about them and attend one. Thankyou all for being such great people, you reflect the love of God in a way i have seldom seen and surprisingly enough, you seem human to boot! ;)
 
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G'day all,

I am Kyrie's fiance and she has been talking about this for a while and she is very excited. I am getting more excited as she talks about it but i must say i feel a little bit intimidated. It is probably my fault with the whole they weren't interested thing. I am really bad at ringing a place or person up for the first time and not knowing what to expect. The person i was talking to go out about two words before i blurted out my no so well rehearsed diatribe. I could've done it differently. Kyrie and I have been listening to an online radio station called ancient faith and i really like the music and the stories.

I am studying at a christian college and learning alot of wonderful things there but i feel that i need more, and from what Kyrie has been telling me, the theology our church is just now rediscovering, the orthodox never lost. That sounds very good to me, i must admit i am a little nervous with some of the customs and traditions that Kyrie has talked about but that could just be natural cynicism on my part.

If the orthodox churches are anything like you guys then it would be an honour to find out more about them and attend one. Thankyou all for being such great people, you reflect the love of God in a way i have seldom seen and surprisingly enough, you seem human to boot! ;)

God is with us,

whatever the case might be as far as issues and questions are concerned as well potential discomfort and the feeling of intimidation or any negative presumption – theological problems etc. – there is couple of things you can receive here, initial prayer and support of people who you meet and acknowledgement (or self-realisation rather) of prayers from the people you do not know – call it mystery of Church Triumphant –

onus is on you for we can not answer the questions on this forum if you do not ask nor you can become aware of the mystery of Church Militant if you do not go – nor you can gain the realisation of what Orthodoxy is about – apart from the external – without asking – I am talking here about you asking and enquiring on at least three different level – “up there” (Church Triumphant), right there (Adelaide – Church Militant) and right here (Forum – which can be Church Militant – for some of us this was the Church until we moved into areas where there was an Orthodox Church – when I became an Orthodox I was living in a place that was located a camel ride day from Mecca (Saudi Arabia) – nevertheless you are in position to access all three –

The job of an inquirer is to ask and listen and pray and fast and read and ask and listen and etc – it is like a fine filled cake with different levels all producing and containing the sweetness of realisation and revelation.

So, feel welcome – for you are.

Many years.
 
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Oh goodness, where to start!

xristos.anesti:
hmm...come inquiring about deep things, and end up talking football. Go me!

You are lucky - whitsundays, lovely, and warm weather. It's freezing cold here!
It's fun talking Australian. Thankyou :)

VickiY:
Ooh...that sounds good, especially the feeding part! Pity I'm not in Melbourne. I'll be there for the next week...lol...that's the vacation I'm taking, but I'm staying with friends and I have absolutely no idea where they are in regard to Melbourne.

I know that most Greeks speak English well, it was more attending a service completely in Greek that was intimidating.

I've been asked if I'm Greek before, which is weird because I don't come from anywhere near Greece, and when my dad lived in Melbourne years ago people would just assume he was and talk Greek to him. The first Greek phrase he learnt was 'sorry, I don't speak Greek!' I would love to learn the language too.
Thankyou :)

Clement of Rome:
No, not near me, but sounds exciting! The Opera House is beautiful, I've been there before on vacations to Sydney. Sounds like her father is fairly excited too ;)

Macarius:
Oh my goodness! Talk about a small world. Thankyou so much ^_^

cassc:
Hello!

From what you and others say, a Divine Liturgy book will make all the difference :) I can read a Greek alphabet too, so if it was in the Greek alphabet for some reason I could read phonetically.

I know, Im trying not to judge just a little intimidated. I'll have to try and get in contact with the priest and talk to him.


Thankyou to all of you, so much!
 
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My dad wanted to name me after Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, which is weird because I haven't heard her played in our house in about fifteen years...anyway, mum wanted a church name. So they compromised with Kyrie, (mum was raised Anglican) pronounced Kiri most of the time. So thats me! I respond to any variation on it -Kiri, Kyrie, Kyrie-Eleison or varying mispronounciations of it - blech, lol.

So yes, neither Greek nor Orthodox but Kyrie regardless! I love my name :)
 
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I know that most Greeks speak English well, it was more attending a service completely in Greek that was intimidating.
Don't get too intimidated. I'm an English convert to the Romanian church but we used to have to go to a Greek parish because it was the only one we could get to from where we lived (there are only a couple of Romanian parishes in the country, one of which we now live quite close to). The Liturgy at that church was almost entirely in Greek, I my wife, the deacon (who was English) and one other Romanian were the only non-Greeks in the parish, but everyone was very welcoming, extremely friendly, and reminded me rather of my Slovak aunt in the way that they constantly semed to want to feed me up! The Liturgy being in a foreign language, though, is really not so big a deal as you might think - in fact I've yet to attend a single Liturgy in English anywhere (though I have been to an English language vespers and my son's baptism was conducted in English - my daughter's was in Romanian, which I also speak).

From what you and others say, a Divine Liturgy book will make all the difference :) I can read a Greek alphabet too, so if it was in the Greek alphabet for some reason I could read phonetically.
Yes, it will help a lot. At our old parish they had the Divine Liturgy in English, Greek and Greek transliterated into Latin script. I found that extremely useful (my ability to read the sounds of Greek letters being limited to what I can remember from my A Level statistics class).

Anyway, welcome to TAW and I hope we can help you in your enquiries into Orthodoxy.

James
 
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Κύριε -
Welcome to TAW. After reading all of this the best advice I can give you is to:
a) Give the greeks the benefit of the doubt.
I am from German descent as well and attend a Greek parish nearby. In my experience - as long as you do not expect the Greeks to "not be Greek" - they will not expect you to be Greek. Do not try to change them and they will accept you. Give them time too - you need to show them that you are not just a tourist.
b) Get to the liturgy as soon as you can. I waited 6 months before my first liturgy and I lament each one that I missed. Get yourself some comfy shoes and GO.
c) do not worry about the language. God will take care of you.
 
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Kyrie, if you haven't been to this website, it might help familiarize you both with the services.

www.goarch.org

also, this bit, in particular:

http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/text.asp

Most Sundays the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is used. In every Liturgy there are variable bits according to which saints are being commemorated that day, so if you are attending and suddenly get "lost" it may be for that reason.
 
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Thankyou so much.

eoe:
I will try to get to Liturgy on the Sunday after I get back! You're all making me wish that I could go this Sunday now. Wonder if there's an Orthodox church near our friends' house? :D

VickiY:
thankyou so much, being able to read it and familiarise myself with it really helps. I find it hard to read Greek in my head, but I've been reading it out loud and checking the English and its beautiful.
 
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Don't worry too much about the language thing :D

My Parish is Ukrainian and the only Ukie I know is the responses to the Litanies [ you'll learn about them later :)] and I can just about manage the Lord's Prayer in Ukie. Us Ukes are terribly nationalistic - so they don't have Liturgy in English !!!

I can now greet folk too - and that goes down very well.
 
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Us Ukes are terribly nationalistic

You're kidding! I had never noticed! There's a restaurant in my city run by a Ukrainian lady who speaks Russian, but refuses to. And she gets all huffy about it. Like if someone new comes in, assumes from her accent (when speaking English) that she's Russian, and starts speaking Russian to her, she'll rant about being Ukrainian, not Russian, and storm off. I've heard she has refused to serve people for that reason, but I can't verify. I mean, if I were in Germany, and someone mistook me for a Canadian, I don't think I would freak out about it, even if it happened every day.
 
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You're kidding! I had never noticed! There's a restaurant in my city run by a Ukrainian lady who speaks Russian, but refuses to. And she gets all huffy about it. Like if someone new comes in, assumes from her accent (when speaking English) that she's Russian, and starts speaking Russian to her, she'll rant about being Ukrainian, not Russian, and storm off. I've heard she has refused to serve people for that reason, but I can't verify. I mean, if I were in Germany, and someone mistook me for a Canadian, I don't think I would freak out about it, even if it happened every day.
Then again, Canadians haven't been imperializing your people group for generations...

Can you imagine if someone mistook a Greek for a Turk? A Palestinian for an Israeli? A Norwegian for a Swede (that might be the best example)?

Kyrie - I PM'd you my convo with Jezz. For semi-obvious reasons I don't want to post his contact info out in public. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!
 
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Can you imagine if someone mistook a Greek for a Turk? A Palestinian for an Israeli? A Norwegian for a Swede (that might be the best example)?


It happens all the time, and probably 90% of the time it's recognized for the innocent mistake that it is, and not freaked out about. My grandmother is Turkish-American, and I don't think I've ever heard anybody accurately guess that. I've never seen her snap at anyone for thinking she was Greek or Arab or standard American bi-racial (she actually gets that one the most, although I can't see it at all).

When Russians refer to Ukraine as "na Ukraine," they're doing it specifically to be offensive, generally. That's worth getting offended about, I guess. But if someone who speaks a little Russian is trying to be nice and speak to you in what they assume is your native language, they're not trying to be offensive, and you shouldn't be a jerk.
 
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