Old Law/New Law

Those commands aren't new.

Deu 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD

The Law remains unfulfilled since the conditions of the New Covenant haven't been met.

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Ok, they aren't exactly new, but by fulfilling them we fulfill them all.

The Law has been fulfilled in Christ.

Note that, in Leviticus, "neighbor" clearly meant "other Jews". Christ extended it to include everyone.

Christ said this:

Mt. 5:17,18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any
means disappear from the Law until everything is
accomplished."

that makes it quite clear that the law is not abolished, but it has been fufilled by Christ.

I moved this thread from Apologetics. The suject is more appropriate for this forum.

We dont obey God's laws today to become righteous or to receive from God. Christ already did that for us. The only NT law is love. If you love (God is love and he is in you), you naturally fulfill the laws. eg if you love your wife, you wont comit adultery. If you love your neighbour, you wont steal or kill him.

It is now a matter of inward transformation by the Holy Spirit and not an outward form of holiness created and shaped by laws. Laws only curb outward behaviour. eg speed limit laws force a driver not to speed on the road but they cannot change his heart to be more patient.

Paul says that the ministry of death engraven on stones is DONE AWAY with.

He also says "CAST OUT the bondwoman".

Today, we can still study the laws becos in each law, are shadows and types of Jesus and his work and the church. We study the laws (eg 5 sacrifices) to 'see' these gems about Jesus, his ministry, work on the cross and the church. These are all hidden in the laws. We dont study the laws to perform them.

Originally posted by seebs
I tend to think that the old law no longer binds us - but that it may still be instructive to study it for insight into God's will.

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"no longer binds"? The law did not ever bind anyone. It was always intended to set people free. David loved the law. The law is the word of God, Jesus is the word of God. More people need to read the 119 psalm. I know it sure changed me and my attitude toward the law as given to us my Moses. David LOVED the law, and so should we. It was his comfort and secuity. He knew the law kept him safe.

Originally posted by Andrew
These are all hidden in the laws. We dont study the laws to perform them.

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Opps, you got it exactly backwards. They are not hidden at all. At least not under the new covenant. People are just blind, and walk in darkness and they do not want to walk in the light.

Originally posted by BigEd
that makes it quite clear that the law is not abolished, but it has been fufilled by Christ.

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Jesus kept the law, but that does not mean He fufilled it FOR us, Jesus fufills the law IN us. As the song says: It is Christ In and Through Me that is the Hope of My Glory.

Matthew 22:37-40
    Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' [40] On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

What part of loving God or loving our neighbor has been done away with? Jesus tells us that this is all of the law and all of the prophets. That we are to love God and love one another. Our neighbor is anyone that is on the same road we are, heading in the same direction we are heading in.

JohnR7,

The types and shadows of Jesus and his work are hidden in the laws. That's what we look for today in the laws.

for eg:

Exodus 21:

2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

There is the literal truth here but also a shadow of the work of Jesus. He cld have gone back to heaven but he chose to go to the cross becos he loved his father and his wife the church. so he was pierced for our transgressions and now still serves us (golden girdle in John vision).

eg:12* the whole bull he shall carry forth outside the camp to a clean place, where the ashes are poured out, and shall burn it on a fire of wood; where the ashes are poured out it shall be burned.

that's becos Jesus was sacrificed outside the gates on Mt calvary.

That's how my church studies the laws today.

Lu 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Originally posted by BigEd
Those who by faith, believe in Christ, are freed from requirements of the old law (various ritual practices of exodus,leviticus and deuteronomy).

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God does not put people in bondage. It is though the law that we are free. Our priesthood is not of the order of levi and I am not a hebrew that I am aware of, other than by adoption into the family of Abraham, so that I am one of his adopted sons.

Still, the law for the priesthood pertaining to Holyness, Righteousness, Sanctification & Purity still apply to us. Also, we are required to be able to EXPLAIN the true meaning of everyone of those sacrifices and every Priestly function of a Levi.

Jesus is our passover, If the shadow and the type, if the symbol gave physical life & health and healing. How much more now that we have the real Jesus. He is the lamb that we eat & it is His blood that is applyed to the door post of our heart. The Blood of Jesus is eternal and gives to us eternal life, health & healing. Thanks, JohnR7

Originally posted by TOFT
The Old Law was obsolete once the New Law came into effect...because we can't have two in effect at once. 

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The law is not the covenant. The law was added because of transgression. There are lots of covenants in the Bible. There were two covenants that pertained to the Hewbrew nation. The first was between them and God at the foot of the mountain. The second was between them and each other and that was given right before they enter into the promised land.

Jesus summed the first covenant up into love God, the second covenant is the second commanment to love our neighbor. We enter into the promises of God, they enter into the promised land. A land that was flowing with milk and honey. We we receive the milk, the word of God and the honey is the Holy Spirit of God, given to those who walk in the promises of God. In the promised land was the grain (the word of God) the oil ( The Holy Spirit) and the wine (the blood of Jesus) God promised the early and the latter rain for the grain, oil and wine. We are in the latter rain. Some say the early church was in the early rain, some say the Hebrew nation received the early rain. Either way, we are in the latter rain.

Originally posted by LightBearer
However, the Law covenant became in a sense “obsolete” when God announced by means of the prophet Jeremiah that there would be a new covenant. 

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If the old covenant was "obsolete" then there would be no seven year tribulation period. Those who want to live under the letter of the law will be given 7 years to do just that.

Under the New Covenant, we are required to forgive. If we do not forgive, then we are not under the new covenant, we would still be under the old covenant. Also, we are required not to judge.

Those who are judgemental and unforgiving are not living under the new covenant. At least not under the second commandment of it. Only those who adhere to BOTH the first and the second commandment will be qualified to be taken in the rapture.

John 13:34  A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

The promise that goes with the new covenant is better than the promises of the old covenant.


 

Originally posted by TOFT
Is the Old Law passed, is the New Law in effect? Are both in effect? 

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It is up to you, but you have to choose one or the other. Jesus said there are few who will choose the new and living way and there will be many who take the broad way that will lead to destruction.

2 Cor. 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


 

"Those who want to live under the letter of the law will be given 7 years to do just that."

I assume u are referring to non-believing Jews/non-Christians.

"Under the New Covenant, we are required to forgive. If we do not forgive, then we are not under the new covenant, "

so to be in the NC we have to perform this law/requirement?

in the OC we forgive so that God will forgive - conditional

in the NC we forgive becos we have been forgiven much.

Originally posted by Andrew
so to be in the NC we have to perform this law/requirement? in the OC we forgive so that God will forgive - conditional in the NC we forgive becos we have been forgiven much.

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Yes, all the promises of God are conditional. If we do our part then we know for sure that God is faithful and true, and that He will do His part of the promise.

Matthew 6:14-15
    "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. [15] But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

It is from the heart we are to forgive. God needs to put His divine forgiveness in us. We are to be a new creation in Christ. The old things are to pass away and all things are to be new.


 

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Thanks.
TheTruthSeeker