PaladinValer
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Well, I guess anything could happen. I'll probably die under a falling piano before that stuff happens, but yeah, theoretically...
Which is why we should "approach" salvation with fear and trembling. Anything could happen and if often does.
That's not really an issue for me. I have repented, I have been made new. I didn't gain salvation by not sinning, and I won't lose it by sinning.
Yes, you will have condemned yourself each time you willfully sin. That one sin done contemplatively is enough to be Judged to experience hell. So you cannot just repent once: you must be contrite, repentant, confessatory, and penitent each time.
No, actually it comes with hope and assurance.
12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
St. Paul's Letter to the Christian Philippians, chapter 2, verse 12.
I'll trust the Apostle's word, with all due respect.
Does this happen a lot to people around you?
Some people I know have apostated, fallen into heresy, or refuse to be penitent. It happens all the time to many people. I hope and pray that they turn around and begin the process of reconciliation, for if they don't, they are in grave danger.
The Spirit is the power of God. Not by my work, not by might, not by power, but by His Spirit etc etc.
The Holy Spirit is God, not "the power of God." Furthermore, while He
Furthermore, we must cooperate with the Holy Spirit, or else nothing is done. We are not robots or atomatons.
A sinner wants to sin. A sinner is a sinner by nature, and is a slave to sin. We who have been born again have a new identity, a new nature. It's not our nature to sin.
We are still sinners for we still sin both inadvertently and willfully. And yes, it is our nature to sin. Baptism may wipe original sin away, regenerate, and make us habitable for the Holy Spirit, but it does not fully restore us nor does it change our human nature or repair completely our broken souls. We may have a new identity, but it is as among those seeking reconciliation and have thusly been born from above. It doesn't mean an automatic free ticket out of hell.
Was.
Is. You are still a sinner, as am I. To deny that is to willfully sin.
Nah, you can say it right now. Just because this or that sin may bring you a short-term satisfaction doesn't mean you LIKE the sin or WANT to do it.
That is Pelagianism, not Christianity. Pelagianism is not compatable and is condemned by Scripture, Tradition, and Reason.
Our MINDS are renewed daily, and we grow in knowledge. Our IDENTITY is children of God, born of Him, perfect, blameless, holy, righteous.
Knowledge? That is Gnostic. Salvation isn't a secret but available to even the most severely "retarded" of people.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. You can't change your born identity. Actually, I'm not sorry. I'm GLAD that it's not true!
Sorry, but that too is Pelagian, not Christian.
Sounds good and religious, but it's not true. The way to become more like Jesus is to look on HIM.
Again, Pelagianism.
To feel guilty about stuff and repenting of sin and calling ourselves sinners etc is fishing in the sea of oblivion, it's to try and remind God of sins he has already dealt with, it's to disagree with him on who he says we are.
Pelagianism.
A bad tree cannot produce good fruit. You must realize that you are a branch on a GOOD tree. You are good, and your produce fruit because you're connected to the tree.
I am not "good." I may have good intentions and deep within I have good desires, but I am not "good."
It is a balance; you are saved by faith but your works justify your faith.
Sounds okay, although could you please clarify what you mean by "works justify your faith"?
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