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Fellowship: The condition of being an associate; mutual association of persons on equal and friendly terms; communion; companionship; intimate familiarity; to unite with in doctrine and discipline.

This definition is from Webster's unabridged dictionary. As you can see each meaning carries with it it's own deeper set of definitions.

I suggest that we, as a group, fall somewhat short of the goal, and ought to make ourselves more aware of the needs of other's and less aware of our own desire to be needed.

In my stay here, I have tried to be one who is empathetic to others while reaching out to learn from the experiences of others. As a human I will always fall short, but as a Christian I will love and bear the burdens of others to the best of my ability.

This is a class system board. And there are different forums to accomodate different needs. Some, like this one, are marked plainly "For Christians Only". It is, therefore, a violation of rule 6 for any non-christian, as defined within that rule to post in this forum.

Many non-christians side step this issue by leaving their profiles blank and professing neither Christianity nor anything else. But as Jesus said, we know them by their fruits, no mater what they profess. These people should be prayed for and witnessed to and every effort should be made to win them. But that should be done in the forums clearly marked "OPEN".

Since Light has no fellowship with darkness, these posts should be reported so that mods can exercise their right to remove the posts of darkness.

An attempt was made to hijack this forum and disrupt a thread of celebration and turn it into a debate over public prayer, proclaiming it to be wrong, and that it was done ONLY to be seen, even though the Christ, whose Name we bear, Himself, set the example of praying in public for the expressed purpose of being seen by others. He did it so that other's would see that He gave all the Glory to the Father, and that is exactly what we should do.

John 11:
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

One of the many examples of the public prayer of Jesus to Glorify the Father.

Back to the definition of fellowship having to do with Unity in doctrine and discipline. There is no unity or discipline in premeditated argumentative disruptive behaviour.

Therefore, as bearers of Light, we should not tolerate darkness in our fellowship.
 

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Here's my question: suppose a non-Christian who was searching for answers was looking through a thread in a Christians-only forum. What if they had a question about something specific in that thread? Should they be denied posting a POLITE, GENUINE question that might have led to them asking even MORE questions and seeking MORE answers and possibly finding Christ through those questions and answers?

This is a tough issue...I like being able to interact with other Christians here, but I don't want to deny someone the chance to become one just because they feel they aren't welcome in some areas of the boards.
 
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The idea for the Christian part is so we are all Christians, and can talk as those... I guess.

They can ask the qeustion in the non-Christian part, I think that's what it was meant for.

Though those are kinda unfriendly :p Those apologetics forums, oof ;)

I don't know, maybe there should be a "Non-Christian Seeking Advice" or something like that forum. Or maybe there is already :D
 
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That is not and never was my concern, but anyway it does violate both the letter and spirit of the rule. Perhaps you might suggest a rule change. I would not, but you have influence I do not.

There are clubs and organizations that are exclusively for women. The introduction of a man into that setting would in itself be disruptive, no matter how sincere his curoisity. Same with men's organizations allowing women in.

Nor do I believe in the so called Unisex Restrooms. Convention dictates that somethings are not meant to be mixed.

I still say that according to the definiton of fellowship Light has no fellowship with darkness.

I knew when I posted this, my stand would not be popular, but I believe in principle, according to Webster and God's Word, I am right!

Nevertheless, I am one person with one opinion.



Originally posted by fieldmouse3
Here's my question: suppose a non-Christian who was searching for answers was looking through a thread in a Christians-only forum. What if they had a question about something specific in that thread? Should they be denied posting a POLITE, GENUINE question that might have led to them asking even MORE questions and seeking MORE answers and possibly finding Christ through those questions and answers?

This is a tough issue...I like being able to interact with other Christians here, but I don't want to deny someone the chance to become one just because they feel they aren't welcome in some areas of the boards.
 
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This is a tough issue...I like being able to interact with other Christians here, but I don't want to deny someone the chance to become one just because they feel they aren't welcome in some areas of the boards.

This would require a rule change or re definition of the term Christian, I think., or a new description of the forum. This is the current one:

Fellowship Court
This is the place to relax and chat with your fellow Christians about any topic! No games here - play them in the Rec Room.
 
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Yes, I agree with you Gerry!! I love how this forum has seperate sections for those non-believers who want to debate christianity and stuff and sections like this just for us believers. That's what makes this forum different from the other Christian forums that I have gone to where I couldn't really enjoy fellowship with Christians because I only kept getting into debates with non Christians about everything I said or what was being discussed. It was very disruptive. I feel more comfortable posting here and opening up here because I know in this section what I say won't always be ridiculed or debated by non Christians. :)

Then when I'm in the mood for a debate I can always go over to the apoligetics section, but when I want to discuss things just with other Christians, I can do so without the distractions.
 
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Originally posted by fieldmouse3
Here's my question: suppose a non-Christian who was searching for answers was looking through a thread in a Christians-only forum. What if they had a question about something specific in that thread? Should they be denied posting a POLITE, GENUINE question that might have led to them asking even MORE questions and seeking MORE answers and possibly finding Christ through those questions and answers?

This is a tough issue...I like being able to interact with other Christians here, but I don't want to deny someone the chance to become one just because they feel they aren't welcome in some areas of the boards.

I can understand what you're saying, but I think most of us can tell when someone is asking questions out of genuine curiosity and when they are just trying to disrupt. Some people are clearly just trying to ridicule us and our beliefs. When it's a genuine question from someone interested in learning about God, it's not put in a way to make fun of us or disrupt us.

When their questioning becomes ridiculing and disruptive, I say that they should be directed towards the apoligetics section, but as long as their questions are polite and considerate, then there's no problem. :)
 
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Originally posted by paulewog
The idea for the Christian part is so we are all Christians, and can talk as those... I guess.

They can ask the qeustion in the non-Christian part, I think that's what it was meant for.


Yup, exactly! :)
 
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Originally posted by Gerry
This would require a rule change or re definition of the term Christian, I think., or a new description of the forum. This is the current one:

Fellowship Court
This is the place to relax and chat with your fellow Christians about any topic! No games here - play them in the Rec Room.

No, let this forum stay just the way it is. :) As long as the non believer is polite and considerate, we won't really know if he's a non Christian or not, it's the really disruptive ones and the ridiculing ones that should not be allowed in this part.
 
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That's exactly what I'm saying! :clap: Debates and things don't belong here, but I don't see the problem in asking sincere, honest, harmless questions in order to learn more about the things we talk about. Like you guys have said....unless the person is rude or dispruptive, or they say something specific about their beliefs, we have no idea where they are in seeking God (or not seeking God).
 
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Well as I said the problem is it is against the rules. Change the rules and description of the Forum and invite anyone.

But you see, this demonstrates the problem with unity in the Body. Two Christians read the same words and see two different meanings. Well, I suppose it will always be that way. Anyway, as I said, I was just stating an opinion.

I just did not like to see threads disrupted and discussions ended and threads hijacked by outside forces. But, again I was just voicing my opinion as one person. I have said too muc now, so I will say no more.

For my part all are welcome.
 
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Originally posted by LilAryanAngelHeart
When their questioning becomes ridiculing and disruptive, I say that they should be directed towards the apoligetics section, but as long as their questions are polite and considerate, then there's no problem. :)

yep, i agree. Take real situations for example, i have two non-christians in my church fellowship, one is not that all sincere... coz he's got a girlfriend who's Christian but his questions are answered, and we never get into heated debates. Another guy is brought along by a fellow brother, and he's start attending group meetings set up for new beginners.

the things is.... most of the time people are attracted by the way Christians act and think, so attending fellowship to a non-christian is like peeking into a meeting where he doesn't entirely belong to, but with glimpses enough to satisfy his curiosity, or to say it correctly.... doesn't satisfy his curiosity so that he continues to seek for answers and comes to Christ eventually (hopefully).
 
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Maybe I'm just too nice...I like to make anyone feel welcome and comfortable enough to ask questions anywhere. Being a Christian is the greatest thing ever, and if there's something I can do to help someone to share this with me and with all the great people here, well, I'm gonna want to do that. I know it's against the rules....and I don't want to see people infiltrating our fun and friendly threads with mean comments. I also don't want anyone who is genuinely seeking help to not be able to find it here, because they're not welcome. So tough...obeying rules is a big thing with me...I'm no lawbreaker....but being nice is important, as well. SO CONFUSED!!!! :confused:
 
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Well, you are able to ignore the rules if you like. But let me tell you I did not even realize I was discussing this with you as a moderator. I know, by rule, you can also ban me for that. But it was not my intent to do that.

I think at this point in the thread my intent has been lost as is fast deteriorating into a different discussion.

I apologize. I shall evict myself from this thread at least.
 
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Gerry, you may never truly know how much you and your wisdom here are appreciated. Personally, I want to thank you. I believe without a doubt you have everyones best interest at heart. Fellowship should be just that, fellowship. A place where we can go and discuss topics(not debate), lift up one another in spirit and motivate one another. I did post one last thread on the topic of the 30 second kneel down. I will not be going back to add anything else. It is quite sad that a topic such as this has went from a celebration to a debate. That was never my intention. God bless you, Gerry. I believe you to be an asset of christian forumms and look forward to reading all your posts. You are a wise man and we need a few of you around to keep us on track.Don't leave us. :cry:
 
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Mel, it has always been far easier for me to give a compliment than to receive one. But I must tell you how awesome God really is.

Like any human, Christian or not, I go through things that tend to get me down a bit, and just when I am about to say: "well Lord, why can't I just come home? I am not making any difference here. In fact no one really knows I am even here."

Well, that's when He sends some one like You along and touches my heart, and really fires me up to go tell others how wonderful Jesus is. It reminds me that Jesus is our focus and not ourselves. It reminds me of the calling on our lives and the awesome privilege it is to serve Jesus. How we are to just remember what He has told us in Isaiah 55:11; how that His Word will not go out and return void, but will accomplish what He has sent it to accomplish. Even if we walk down the street and just say the Name JESUS to people passing us going in the opposite direction. That one Name; that one Word will affect some life in the way God has planned.

So our work is never done, as long as we have life and breath and Jesus in our Hearts. I am very glad for the 30 second kneel down thread you started. You see God's Word went out in that thread and it did not go in vain. One day you may be surprised to learn what it accomplished.

Resolve with me, to never give up or compromise in serving Jesus.

Thanks for your kind and considerate words. They mean more than I can express. May the God of Peace Bless your heart, and stir you to even greater service for Him!
 
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Originally posted by fieldmouse3
That's exactly what I'm saying! :clap: Debates and things don't belong here, but I don't see the problem in asking sincere, honest, harmless questions in order to learn more about the things we talk about. Like you guys have said....unless the person is rude or dispruptive, or they say something specific about their beliefs, we have no idea where they are in seeking God (or not seeking God).

Okay cool. :cool: :)
 
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Originally posted by Blessed-one
the things is.... most of the time people are attracted by the way Christians act and think, so attending fellowship to a non-christian is like peeking into a meeting where he doesn't entirely belong to, but with glimpses enough to satisfy his curiosity, or to say it correctly.... doesn't satisfy his curiosity so that he continues to seek for answers and comes to Christ eventually (hopefully).

Yup, true. :) :cool:
 
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Originally posted by Gerry
Therefore, as bearers of Light, we should not tolerate darkness in our fellowship.

Where do I sign up? Can we call it the church of Jerry standing on the rock?

John 3:19-21
    And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. [21] But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."


 


 
 
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